Planning an Intel/nVidia build for many uses

[kinkinkijkin]

So, a slight change in my financial situation has a really high chance of happening over the summertime. I've applied to a special program that has an extremely high chance of finding people a job, but limits their weekly income and forces them to stop working once they return to school, designed for students, and limited to my age group (no, I'm not actually going to disclose my actual age here yet, it's easy to find on the internet, though, if you know where to look, so the site can just think that I'm 24 for now). Because of the fact that our household has a large enough income generated by the only adult who isn't a greedy, self-centered layabout who should probably go kill himself (it's not me, by the way), all of this money goes towards getting me started on the new build, and feeding my dormant drinking problem. I've run some numbers, and, realistically, I have a budget of $2900 CAD for this build by the end of the summer time, once you take away the rest of the $5850 to account for drinking. So, I want to do the terribly-difficult task of replacing all parts of my computer (especially audio, and this screen that wobbles when I type because it's designed for people who aren't constantly cold), with Intel and nVidia parts, for only $2500 (taken off another bit for other vices).

I've started compiling a little list on PCPartPicker, but I need help doing this. It will be MONTHS before I'm able to even dream of buying this, but, as I've pretty much copied and pasted multiple times over on Overclock.net:

"I really like preplanning" - danwoman-san~/kinkinkijkin/SolTIW/The Great and Handsome Dan/Lord Asshat/A Remelted Jive-Tits Nun

Currently, I'm starting low on it. But, as soon as I've picked viable parts for each spot, I wanna start moving up. Save each budget rung as well, just in case.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3lDjT

Please don't mention power supplies unless you are going to be VERY thorough in it, including comparing scores given to the power supplies by reputable reviewers, price comparisons, and at least a small amount of trying to tell me that it would look better.

To get into more, more detail, here are the broad specifications for the build:
- Intel + nVidia
- Small form-factor
- No HDDs (ignore the HDD in the list already, this is something I wanna work up to)
- Relatively easy to bring to another room in the house (meaning wifi, and possibly light weight)
- Not-immense power requirements - Make it like the turd-burster (my current computer) is now, but because of efficiency, not crappiness

For things not inside of the computer
- Do not recommend me mice or keyboards, please. If I get a new mouse, I already know exactly which one, and I've already chosen the keyboard with no chance of changing my mind
- If you wanna tell me what kind of screen you like, I need a 16:10 resolution that exceeds 1080p. So, at least 1920x1200. In fact, I'd love 1920x1200, it's just the right size for everything.


some extra notes:
god I hope someone doesn't just run into this thread and exclaim that I need to buy a 4670k, that's not really productive anymore at this point. I only need a processor capable of keeping up with my GPU, and playing my small collection of light GC/Wii games in dolphin. Oh, and it needs to be able to compile lots of java quickly, that's the language that my current projects are in, and I'm not about to rewrite them to a superior language just because it'll perform faster, compile faster, be easier to debug, and give me more lower-level options than java would
god I hope someone doesn't just run into this thread and tell me that I need to wait for the new haswells to come out to make this list

[KHg8m3r]

......buy a 4670K....... lol, had to

If you don't want/need to overclock, I know someone else here recommended one of the Xeon E3v3 series CPUs. Basically an i7-4770 but cheaper (the E3-1245 v3 is directly equal and cheaper, the E3-1275 v3 is 100Mhz higher but more expensive)

An H87 motherboard will be fine, or an H81. If you think you might want to get an overclockable CPU in the future, get a Z87 (See my updated build in my thread for a Z87 Micro-ATX board)
A small wifi USB dongle will do fine, or just get a card (boards with built-in wifi tend to be more expensive)

I would recommend an Asus screen. We use a variety of screens in our robotics labs, and the Asus screens have lasted the longest and have the most compatibility with our test setups (we have some really funky computer contraptions)

[Anti-Ultimate]

Why a 760W PSU for something that only uses 200 Watts under full load?

[kinkinkijkin]

(04-04-2014, 03:49 PM)KHg8m3r Wrote: ......buy a 4670K....... lol, had to

If you don't want/need to overclock, I know someone else here recommended one of the Xeon E3v3 series CPUs. Basically an i7-4770 but cheaper (the E3-1245 v3 is directly equal and cheaper, the E3-1275 v3 is 100Mhz higher but more expensive)

An H87 motherboard will be fine, or an H81. If you think you might want to get an overclockable CPU in the future, get a Z87 (See my updated build in my thread for a Z87 Micro-ATX board)
A small wifi USB dongle will do fine, or just get a card (boards with built-in wifi tend to be more expensive)

I would recommend an Asus screen. We use a variety of screens in our robotics labs, and the Asus screens have lasted the longest and have the most compatibility with our test setups (we have some really funky computer contraptions)

No, I'm not planning to overclock it, really. Though, I don't need the extra cores, ever. Is there a Xeon that's equivalent to the 4670? If anything, though, I plan to REDUCE the stock clock a little bit, so that it doesn't get as hot.

What kind of Asus screen do you recommend? I've had tons of them in line to be bought and used, back when I still believed that I could turn my current computer into a Phenom machine. Also, if it makes any difference, my local library has Asus screens which heat up to dangerous points if you turn the brightness too high (which everyone does), so I really want to know which ones you'd recommend.

(04-04-2014, 06:01 PM)Anti-Ultimate Wrote: Why a 760W PSU for something that only uses 200 Watts under full load?

Excess, when it comes to PSUs, is actually better, unlike most things in a computer (but you probably already knew that, didn't you?). To me, the farther I go above the computer's max pull with the PSU, the better. Especially after my bout with cheap, golden PSUs with "550w dual fans". So, I'm not going to buy an Antec Green 320D for a computer that pulls a full 200w. I would, however, use it for an HTPC which pulls 84w at load, and 12w idle.


I've made some changes. I WAS going to change the GPU for a 780, since I do some GPU-heavy things, but I decided not to when I saw how much higher the price went.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3lSZ2

I replaced the HDD for an SSD (note that I don't need the extra speed of the pro series, I just couldn't get the 250 EVO on newegg anymore, according to PC Part Picker), and I placed in the screen which I was going to get for this computer, originally.

[Anti-Ultimate]

(04-05-2014, 02:24 AM)kinkinkijkin Wrote:

(04-04-2014, 06:01 PM)Anti-Ultimate Wrote: Why a 760W PSU for something that only uses 200 Watts under full load?

Excess, when it comes to PSUs, is actually better, unlike most things in a computer (but you probably already knew that, didn't you?). To me, the farther I go above the computer's max pull with the PSU, the better. Especially after my bout with cheap, golden PSUs with "550w dual fans". So, I'm not going to buy an Antec Green 320D for a computer that pulls a full 200w. I would, however, use it for an HTPC which pulls 84w at load, and 12w idle.

No it isn't. A higher wattage psu is less efficient than a 450W PSU, which is all you need for that build. A higher rated PSU will make your energy bills shoot up. You're just wasting money buying that, that's all.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-rm450

This is good enough.

[NaturalViolence]

@kinkin
Oh god this is rich.

Warning! My next post will consist mostly of me telling you why your opinions are stupid. So basically the usual. It will also take me awhile to write (expect it sometime later today when I have time). Please prepare your popcorn now while you still have time. You seem to want peoples advice, yet will immediately disregard it in favor of your own opinions. Which I suspect you will do with mine too (making me wonder why I am even doing this). And no when you ask for hardware advice here you do not get to specify which things we are not allowed to recommend. If this was a less well known member I wouldn't have bothered responding at all because of this.

[Anti-Ultimate]

pffft, we should start making a thread about dedicated dolphin builds for giving advice to people lol

[kinkinkijkin]

Judging by your wording, you don't exactly know how a power supply works, do you?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDFAQs is a nice little thing to look at.

Also, the unit that I listed was a platinum, and the one you just linked is gold.

Along with that:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/corsair-professional-series-ax760-and-ax860-review/10/ (what I have listed, warm tests, which should perform worse than cold)
vs
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=363 (cold tests)

EDIT:

(04-05-2014, 02:41 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: @kinkin
Oh god this is rich.

Warning! My next post will consist mostly of me telling you why your opinions are stupid. So basically the usual. It will also take me awhile to write (expect it sometime later today when I have time). Please prepare your popcorn now while you still have time. You seem to want peoples advice, yet will immediately disregard it in favor of your own opinions. Which I suspect you will do with mine too (making me wonder why I am even doing this). And no when you ask for hardware advice here you do not get to specify which things we are not allowed to recommend. If this was a less well known member I wouldn't have bothered responding at all because of this.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Please don't mention power supplies unless you are going to be VERY thorough in it, including comparing scores given to the power supplies by reputable reviewers, price comparisons, and at least a small amount of trying to tell me that it would look better.

I never asked to be told anything about power supplies, and, in fact, said to be thorough in research and backup if you are going to say something about it.

[Anti-Ultimate]

(04-05-2014, 02:54 AM)kinkinkijkin Wrote: Judging by your wording, you don't exactly know how a power supply works, do you?

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDFAQs is a nice little thing to look at.

Also, the unit that I listed was a platinum, and the one you just linked is gold.

Along with that:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/corsair-professional-series-ax760-and-ax860-review/10/ (what I have listed, warm tests, which should perform worse than cold)
vs
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=363 (cold tests)

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Please don't mention power supplies unless you are going to be VERY thorough in it, including comparing scores given to the power supplies by reputable reviewers, price comparisons, and at least a small amount of trying to tell me that it would look better.

I never asked to be told anything about power supplies, and I said specifically to be thorough about your research and backup.

I gave you advice on how to save money and get a more efficient (as in price and power usage) power supply and this is how you treat me? alright.

http://www.pc-max.de/artikel/netzteile/test-corsair-rm450-und-rm750-netzteile/13887
Of course this article is in german, sorry for that but the charts are idiot proof. This thing is only 2% less efficient, yet saves you a lot of headaches and costs a lot less than the PSU you had first.


More IS NOT BETTER. Wasting money on wattage you won't need and not spending that on a better GPU, Storage or hell knows what makes you look like a idiot and makes me cringe. Sorry.

[NaturalViolence]

Guess I did have time. That was faster than I thought.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:So, a slight change in my financial situation has a really high chance of happening over the summertime. I've applied to a special program that has an extremely high chance of finding people a job, but limits their weekly income and forces them to stop working once they return to school, designed for students, and limited to my age group

Just get a real job!

kinkinkijkin Wrote:(no, I'm not actually going to disclose my actual age here yet, it's easy to find on the internet, though, if you know where to look, so the site can just think that I'm 24 for now).

Nobody cares.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:a greedy, self-centered layabout who should probably go kill himself (it's not me, by the way),

Good to know.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I've run some numbers, and, realistically, I have a budget of $2900 CAD for this build by the end of the summer time

You can buy pretty much anything for that much.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:once you take away the rest of the $5850 to account for drinking.

How the fuck are you going to spend that much on alcohol? Are you going to be drinking nothing but wine from the 1950s?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:for people who aren't constantly cold),

Canadian problems. Come to the tropics. We have stable temperatures and lots of mosquitoes.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:with Intel and nVidia parts, for only $2500 (taken off another bit for other vices).

I would ask you to reconsider that restriction. People have a right to recommend you an AMD GPU if it is deemed better for your needs. Unless you have a specific need for nvidia GPUs (which if that is the case you need to elaborate on this) AMD GPUs are better suited to your needs since you plan on using dolphin.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I've started compiling a little list on PCPartPicker, but I need help doing this. It will be MONTHS before I'm able to even dream of buying this, but, as I've pretty much copied and pasted multiple times over on Overclock.net:

By then prices and parts will be different.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Currently, I'm starting low on it. But, as soon as I've picked viable parts for each spot, I wanna start moving up. Save each budget rung as well, just in case.

I have no idea what this means.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Please don't mention power supplies unless you are going to be VERY thorough in it, including comparing scores given to the power supplies by reputable reviewers, price comparisons, and at least a small amount of trying to tell me that it would look better.

No deal.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- Small form-factor

Why?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- No HDDs (ignore the HDD in the list already, this is something I wanna work up to)

What do you plan on using for now? What is your end goal?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- Relatively easy to bring to another room in the house (meaning wifi, and possibly light weight)

Why?

kinkinkijkin Wrote:- Not-immense power requirements - Make it like the turd-burster (my current computer) is now, but because of efficiency, not crappiness

This is extremely vague.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Do not recommend me mice or keyboards, please. If I get a new mouse, I already know exactly which one, and I've already chosen the keyboard with no chance of changing my mind

Your loss.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I need a 16:10 resolution

Why? This completely rules out all of the best options on the market including the 2560 x 1440 and 3840 x 2160 panels.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:god I hope someone doesn't just run into this thread and exclaim that I need to buy a 4670k, that's not really productive anymore at this point. I only need a processor capable of keeping up with my GPU, and playing my small collection of light GC/Wii games in dolphin.

You set your budget at 2900CAD and you expect people not to recommend you the best cpu for what your trying to do which is easily affordable within those constraints? You would have to be criminally stupid not to recommend the 4670K under this scenario.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Oh, and it needs to be able to compile lots of java quickly, that's the language that my current projects are in, and I'm not about to rewrite them to a superior language just because it'll perform faster, compile faster, be easier to debug, and give me more lower-level options than java would

Your loss.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:god I hope someone doesn't just run into this thread and tell me that I need to wait for the new haswells to come out to make this list

Well....what did you expect? Obviously if better cpus come out you'll want to reevaluate your choices.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Is there a Xeon that's equivalent to the 4670?

No. And if there was you wouldn't want it.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:If anything, though, I plan to REDUCE the stock clock a little bit, so that it doesn't get as hot.

That serves absolutely no benefit and will reduce your performance.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:Excess, when it comes to PSUs, is actually better, unlike most things in a computer (but you probably already knew that, didn't you?). To me, the farther I go above the computer's max pull with the PSU, the better. Especially after my bout with cheap, golden PSUs with "550w dual fans". So, I'm not going to buy an Antec Green 320D for a computer that pulls a full 200w. I would, however, use it for an HTPC which pulls 84w at load, and 12w idle.

Buying extremely high end PSUs for a low load system is both less efficient and a waste of money. The electrical savings will never pay back the higher cost of the PSU and PSUs tend to lose efficiency when their load drops below 50% (as will be the case most of the time in this scenario). So you might not even gain any efficiency at all. Your own links confirm this. He's just trying to save you money.

kinkinkijkin Wrote:I've made some changes. I WAS going to change the GPU for a 780, since I do some GPU-heavy things, but I decided not to when I saw how much higher the price went.

What about the 770, 760, and 660? Just because the 780 is too expensive doesn't mean you have to drop it all the way down to a 750.