Poll: Which CPU and GPU (SOC) is the most suitable for dolphin on android? You do not have permission to vote in this poll. |
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Exynos and mali | 2 | 40.00% | |
Atom and Power Vr | 1 | 20.00% | |
Qualcomm and adreno | 2 | 40.00% | |
Mediatek and mali | 0 | 0% | |
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Phones and SOCs performance on dolphin
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04-12-2015, 01:48 AM
tueidj is telling you correct things and you're half-ignoring him and spouting wrong/dumb things, e.g. "Actually those chips reach 1.86 GHZ that's actually pretty close to 2ghz". (That's still not reaching 2 GHz, that's a whole 140 MHz away.)
Also, one certain individual who knows a lot more than most do about mobile SoCs now reads this thread purely for entertainment. That's a good sign that you're not very knowledgeable about these things, yet you're still acting like you are.
<@skid_au> fishing resort is still broken: http://i.imgur.com/dvPiQKg.png
<@neobrain> dafuq <+JMC47> no dude, you're just holding the postcard upside down ---------------------------------------- <@Lioncash> pauldachz in charge of shitposting :^) 04-12-2015, 01:56 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2015, 02:02 AM by sonicdude13.)
(04-12-2015, 01:48 AM)pauldacheez Wrote: tueidj is telling you correct things and you're half-ignoring him and spouting wrong/dumb things, e.g. "Actually those chips reach 1.86 GHZ that's actually pretty close to 2ghz". (That's still not reaching 2 GHz, that's a whole 140 MHz away.) Thanks for just saying that one thing about the GHz btw, also I just think its incorrect to say atom sucks I'm sick of people saying that, and the thing is is that half the time it doesn't even matter what your PC specs are it can be the emulator itself like one time I tried playing sa2b on dolphin from my desktop and it was laggy and the sound was buggy but when I went and installed the PC HD version it ran PERFECTLY, and I went to several benchmarking websites trying to see if my PC could run sonic gens and they all said my specs wouldn't be enough to run it yet I went and installed the game ANYWAYS and it ran fine although I had to run it on low graphical settings...and the atom processor is fine for dolphin if you look at videos of dolphin being played on atom devices the games being played runs perfectly fine besides the sound its just annoying how people can say something sucks and think that what they're saying is a fact then when some says its actually good they say "please don't say that atom is good" as if that persons opinion doesn't matter., also I'm not that much of a tech person but I'm not fake as well I'm not going to go and pretend I'm bill gates and all that cause I'm not but at the end I'm gonna stick up for what I believe is right about things. 04-12-2015, 02:14 AM
Well, you certainly missed the point there. Just because you think Atom isn't awful doesn't mean it truly isn't – the only reason the Atom runs Dolphin any better than an equivalent ARM device is due to the ARM JITs not receiving nearly as much attention as the x86 JIT. All else being equal, the only thing Atom ever beats anything in is browser benchmarks.
Also keep in mind your frame of comparison – if you compare an average Intel laptop CPU to an average Atom *at the same clockspeed*, the Atom's still a lot slower. Atom's simply missing a lot of things that full-size CPUs have. Just because Atom runs Dolphin "well" in your opinion doesn't mean shit. tl;dr, you know nothing, go read AnandTech analyses of Atom chipsets.
<@skid_au> fishing resort is still broken: http://i.imgur.com/dvPiQKg.png
<@neobrain> dafuq <+JMC47> no dude, you're just holding the postcard upside down ---------------------------------------- <@Lioncash> pauldachz in charge of shitposting :^) 04-12-2015, 02:19 AM
(04-12-2015, 01:56 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: Thanks for just saying that one thing about the GHz btw, also I just think its incorrect to say atom sucks I'm sick of people saying that, and the thing is is that half the time it doesn't even matter what your PC specs are it can be the emulator itself like one time I tried playing sa2b on dolphin from my desktop and it was laggy and the sound was buggy but when I went and installed the PC HD version it ran PERFECTLY, and I went to several benchmarking websites trying to see if my PC could run sonic gens and they all said my specs wouldn't be enough to run it yet I went and installed the game ANYWAYS and it ran fine although I had to run it on low graphical settings...and the atom processor is fine for dolphin if you look at videos of dolphin being played on atom devices the games being played runs perfectly fine besides the sound its just annoying how people can say something sucks and think that what they're saying is a fact then when some says its actually good they say "please don't say that atom is good" as if that persons opinion doesn't matter., also I'm not that much of a tech person but I'm not fake as well I'm not going to go and pretend I'm bill gates and all that cause I'm not but at the end I know the truth about things. Then you understand the immense difference between running a game compiled native for your platform (the PC HD version) vs trying to run a game through an emulator? I have a very high-end PC (due to my work) and it can play most Wii games smoothly in emulation. But think about that for a moment... A $2000 PC is barely powerful enough to play games designed for a $200 console? Yes, because the rule of thumb for emulation is 10x the performance of the native device. To put this in completely non-technical terms, imaging trying to talk to someone who speaks a completely different language than you. Every time one of you speaks, the interpreter in the middle has to translate it. Now, you're impatient because you have to wait for that interpreter to repeat your question to the other person, wait for the response, and have that response translated back to you. That is exactly how emulation works. JIT would be like telling the other person that every time they say "venstre" to instead say "left". HLE works by recognizing key phrases like "Ta til venstre i neste lys" and replacing them with "Turn left at the next light". It's faster than word-by-word translation, but introduces other issues like incorrect translations. As SonicAdvance covered in another thread, also keep in mind that each architecture has different features. The Wii has no real use for PIC (Position Independent Code), but modern architecutres do, which makes JIT and HLE more difficult. Multiple cores helps when there is more than one piece of emulation occurring at the same time. For instance, the audio chip on the Wii needs to be emulated, as does the core CPU. If each of these is running on a different core, you get benefits. But this is limited by the need for multi-chip emulation. You can only emulate as many items simultaneously as the native platform (the Wii in this case) has running simultaneously. So you quickly max out how many threads can benefit the emulator, and the slowest component (usually emulating the CPU or GPU) will drag down the performance of everything else. While audio stuttering may seem like an audio issue, it's usually a problem of emulating the CPU or GPU fast enough. The reason is that games expect everything to run in real-time. So they don't give the next audio clip until they've finished a frame loop. But if that takes longer than the last audio clip had, the audio will stop before the next clip is ready. They don't play audio via a simple MP3 file that can continue without the rest of the game. When you jump, you expect to hear a jump sound. And they feed that in pieces based on the current frame. Atom processors are lower-powered Intel processors. Because the mobile Android Atom processors use PIC, it's very difficult to gauge performance. Two aspects of a processor affect its performance: Clock speed and cycles per instruction. Most people know about clock speed. But what can be equally important is how many of those clocks it takes to do a particular instruction. Some instructions are nearly free, like to increment a register by 1. That takes one clock cycle. But dividing 64-bit numbers takes many clock cycles. And different processors have different numbers of cycles per instruction for each instruction. So this adds to the complexity of both emulation timing and benchmarking. 04-12-2015, 02:25 AM
(04-12-2015, 02:14 AM)pauldacheez Wrote: Well, you certainly missed the point there. Just because you think Atom isn't awful doesn't mean it truly isn't – the only reason the Atom runs Dolphin any better than an equivalent ARM device is due to the ARM JITs not receiving nearly as much attention as the x86 JIT. All else being equal, the only thing Atom ever beats anything in is browser benchmarks.With atom runs dolphin slower than any arm device out there if you've read my other post in other threads I said that the reason dolphin runs slow on Intel processors is due to there not being an x86 jit recompiler only an arm and just because you guys say atom isn't good doesn't mean shit! I'm just saying to not say that anything isn't good as if its a fact also I'm not sure where you got that atom running dolphin better than arm from because its not true at all, PC specs doesn't even matter half the time its the emulator that is wrong at times, I'm just saying atom is good when it comes to running dolphin it just needs to be more compatible with dolphin to get any good speed from it but if you look at the dell venue 8 pro or Asus t100 videos running dolphin games they run them pretty well at decent enough speeds. I dont need to read anything because I am learning more and more naturally everyday I'm on these internet devices but you obviously need to learn how to NOT take nearly 20 minutes to post something, seriously I walked my dog around my whole block and came back and there was still no reply yet. 04-12-2015, 02:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2015, 02:26 AM by pauldacheez.
Edit Reason: I'm totally not pointing to sonicdude13.
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This agrabren guy is also smart.
<@skid_au> fishing resort is still broken: http://i.imgur.com/dvPiQKg.png
<@neobrain> dafuq <+JMC47> no dude, you're just holding the postcard upside down ---------------------------------------- <@Lioncash> pauldachz in charge of shitposting :^) 04-12-2015, 02:28 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2015, 02:31 AM by sonicdude13.
Edit Reason: pauldacheez one of those guys who says something sucks but doesn't really know..?
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(04-12-2015, 02:19 AM)agrabren Wrote:Thank you so much for replying in such a civilized way and not going off and saying crap like oh you know nothing and oh your ignorant.(04-12-2015, 01:56 AM)sonicdude13 Wrote: Thanks for just saying that one thing about the GHz btw, also I just think its incorrect to say atom sucks I'm sick of people saying that, and the thing is is that half the time it doesn't even matter what your PC specs are it can be the emulator itself like one time I tried playing sa2b on dolphin from my desktop and it was laggy and the sound was buggy but when I went and installed the PC HD version it ran PERFECTLY, and I went to several benchmarking websites trying to see if my PC could run sonic gens and they all said my specs wouldn't be enough to run it yet I went and installed the game ANYWAYS and it ran fine although I had to run it on low graphical settings...and the atom processor is fine for dolphin if you look at videos of dolphin being played on atom devices the games being played runs perfectly fine besides the sound its just annoying how people can say something sucks and think that what they're saying is a fact then when some says its actually good they say "please don't say that atom is good" as if that persons opinion doesn't matter., also I'm not that much of a tech person but I'm not fake as well I'm not going to go and pretend I'm bill gates and all that cause I'm not but at the end I know the truth about things. I'm only 15 and I have A LOT to learn but your post gave me a better understanding of the way Intel processors are. 04-12-2015, 02:46 AM
I found only one youtube video of the t100 running Dolphin and it could barely manage 50% fullspeed in NSMBW and less than 25% in MKW, is that what you call good?
04-12-2015, 02:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-12-2015, 02:58 AM by sonicdude13.)
(04-12-2015, 02:46 AM)tueidj Wrote: I found only one youtube video of the t100 running Dolphin and it could barely manage 50% fullspeed in NSMBW and less than 25% in MKW, is that what you call good? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wyVh-3jGhI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyemjQ-FQU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6jdEUA-z5k There you go. |
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