OCed Pentium E6300 vs (less) OCed Q6600

[Starscream]

I guess we should have defined "run" first. From my experiences with my old Athlon 64 with 1GB of RAM, Windows 7 ran fine as long as it was the 32-bit version. With the 64-bit version, the OS was much more sluggish and normal tasks took noticeably longer. I immediately reinstalled the 32-bit version and things ran much better. So it will "run" on either, but will the OS actually be usable on both with only 1GB of RAM, no, not in my opinion.

[slmpika]

The official minimum system requirements if anyone is interested. Of course, you can tweak Windows to boot and "run" with less RAM, but with RAM so cheap nowadays, I don't see why you would want to.

[NaturalViolence]

I know we're arguing semantics here but run has only one meaning in this context, and it has nothing to do with performance.

[mAMV]

(07-14-2012, 11:56 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: I know we're arguing semantics here but run has only one meaning in this context, and it has nothing to do with performance.

Point.

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(07-14-2012, 11:45 AM)slmpika Wrote: The official minimum system requirements if anyone is interested. Of course, you can tweak Windows to boot and "run" with less RAM, but with RAM so cheap nowadays, I don't see why you would want to.

This is such a lame excuse lol. It's so cheap why not buy more! It's like ebay man. Only buy what you use, Right now I've got 12GB but when i run after effects vegas adobe photoshop gimp songbird google chrome/browse youtube and microsoft word i only use up to ~4GB total... 8GB is actually overkill for meh but as i started with a 4GB kit I had this hella awesome deal for an 8gb kit, so i considered. I don't understand why a gaming PC needs 6GB+ ram. It's just for marketing I guess.

Buying more ram is like buying winrar.

[poofyhairguy]

Just wanted to give an update.

The GTX 460 works great, does 1080p fine. I am a little confused about the backend situation (like how to use FXAA) but I am learning!

My only problem was that the performance overall was still unplayable in many cases, enough that I greatly accelerated my upgrade plans because it was driving me nuts.

So I upgrade the machine to a 2500k with a MSI P67 mobo. I originally was going to get the 3570K as recommended, but the 2500k build was MUCH cheaper for me and honestly I don't feel comfortable buying bleeding edge parts (hence why I like the GTX 460 so much). I also upgraded the PSU to a Seasonic X650 so that I could have fewer wires in the case and higher efficiency.

I got it solid at 4.7GHz today and it runs all my games perfectly fine at 1080p with fairly minimal fan noise. I mean F-Zero dips down to the 40s in FPS sometimes, but I don't play that game much and honestly the full 60fps is a little intense!

Thank you again for all the advice I got in this thread and this great forum. This is easily one of the best communities I have ever seen connected to an emulator, and the emulator itself is great as well! I still can't believe an emulator that plays this good exists within a console's lifetime!

Thanks again!!!!

[Garteal]

Quote: I originally was going to get the 3570K as recommended, but the 2500k build was MUCH cheaper for me

If you've payed much less for that combo, then you've made a good choice.

Quote:I got it solid at 4.7GHz today

Did you manually overclock? Or did you hit that tempting auto-overclock button?
What are your temps and voltages at?

Quote: I mean F-Zero dips down to the 40s in FPS sometimes, but I don't play that game much and honestly the full 60fps is a little intense!

Hmm... you should be able to get better performance than that.
Where does it drop to 40FPS?

[poofyhairguy]

(08-02-2012, 09:59 AM)Garteal Wrote: If you've payed much less for that combo, then you've made a good choice.

Thanks. I hated to go against your advice and I know Ivy is better, but I like having a mobo with a year's worth of bios updates (with a clear "best" one for overclocking), especially for only $55. Just having a few updated overclocking guides on the board was worth a lot to me as I am not normally a bleeding edge guy.

Quote:Did you manually overclock? Or did you hit that tempting auto-overclock button?

I manually overclocked using a really good guide I found. I tried the button and it threw a crazy amount of voltage at my CPU for only a 4.2Ghz overclock and it wouldn't clock down on idle!

Quote:What are your temps and voltages at?

My voltage is 1.4v. My temps idle in the low 40s and spike up to the mid-high 60s playing dolphin (F Zero). My hottest core after 12 hours of Prime 95 maxed at 87c for a short period, which made me a little uncomfortable but nothing else gets it anywhere near that and I am trying to keep my fan speeds lower. My cooler is an older second gen Scythe Ninja with a Antec Tri-Cool fan attached (on low) and I use Antec Formula 7 paste.

Quote:Hmm... you should be able to get better performance than that.
Where does it drop to 40FPS?

Just a few times during the first track, like a few of the corners and at the starting line when I pass it. I would say that 95% of the track I am at 56fps+. I tried official 3.0 because I read on here that newer builds are slower on that game but I must have some driver issue because on 3.0 it was VERY slow (like 30fps constant).

I certainly am not complaining, it is completely playable for me on the current build.

[Garteal]

Quote:My voltage is 1.4v.

Is this really the voltage you absolutely need for 4.7GHz?
Did you volt it incrementally?

I'm running my 2500K @ 4.5GHz at 1.26v. I can run at 5GHz at 1.42v stable.
I needed more than 1.35v for 4.7/4.8GHz iirc, and I thought it was not worth it.
If you can run at a lower voltage at 4.5GHz, I'd say go for it. It'll keep your temps lower in this heat too.

Quote: My temps idle in the low 40s and spike up to the mid-high 60s playing dolphin (F Zero)

Yeah, summer makes your temps rise by 10c or so.
I'm idling at 35-38 now. I idle like 25-30 normally.

Quote: My hottest core after 12 hours of Prime 95 maxed at 87c for a short period, which made me a little uncomfortable but nothing else gets it anywhere near that and I am trying to keep my fan speeds lower.

Well, that's pretty hot I'd say. Consider lowering your voltages and overclock a bit. The 200MHz will barely make a difference.

Quote:Just a few times during the first track,

Alright, I'm on it to check what I get.

Oh and out of curiosity, which MSI motherboard did you get?

[NaturalViolence]

1.4v is way too high. 1.375v is already pushing it. 1.35v is the highest you should push the core voltage if you want to use the system for a long time.

[Garteal]

Quote:1.4v is way too high.

There's mixed opinions about this.
Ultimately it comes down to what you're comfortable with.
1.52v is the maximum safe voltage for a 2500K.

I personally have 1.4xv as my limit.