Some users don't care about more robust OS design to be more resilient against shitty drivers and malware. (Or more related to Dolphin, care about the D3D11 backend working)
Can't force them to care.
Can't force them to care.
Observation/warning with Ryzen XFB on Windows.
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Some users don't care about more robust OS design to be more resilient against shitty drivers and malware. (Or more related to Dolphin, care about the D3D11 backend working)
Can't force them to care. 12-08-2017, 03:04 AM
I haven't settled on either OS as I haven't had time to really commit to the set up process, but the scope of the thread was never, "Which OS is right for me?", but rather "Is there a difference in performance between OSes as far as the CPU is concerned?"
*sigh*
(12-07-2017, 09:39 PM)linkdude64 Wrote: The argument that I cannot fully enjoy what my CPU and GPU can offer on Windows 7 compared to Windows 10 in this context has been objectively and demonstratively disproven in this very thread. 6 core 12 thread CPUs were absolutely available and supported when Windows 7 was supported, and the Radeon RX 580 was absolutely supported when Windows 7 was as well.It's not related to the number of cores/threads. On most cases, whenever a new CPU architecture hits the market, OSes get their scheduler (among other things) updated to use all available cores/threads more efficiently, resulting in better performance. Remember Bulldozer from 2011? At launch they performed terribly, MS released some hotfixes later on and the performance improved. Ryzen is on a much better situation than Bulldozer was, but on heavy multi-threaded scenarios I still bet Windows 8/10 will perform better since those updates will never come to Windows 7 (and no, Dolphin uses only 2 or 3 threads, that doesn't count as a heavy multi-threaded scenario). MS is also intentionally locking out users running Windows 7 with newer CPUs from Windows Update, so, good luck using an OS not receiving any security updates just because of stubbornness. Now let's talk about the GPU. Just to be clear, are you aware you're limiting your RX 580 to DX11 and OpenGL 4.5 only due Windows 7? It could perform much better on apps and games that offer support to newer APIs like DX12, that you'll never have access as long as you keep stuck on an ancient OS. Even Dolphin's DX11 backend has some limitations when running in Windows 7 due unsupported features. (12-07-2017, 09:39 PM)linkdude64 Wrote: Knowing that m.2 SATA drives were a thing, I figured there might have been some kind of backward compatibility baked in. With a simple pin adapter you can still run SATA III drives on some 25 year old systems, so I thought it was worth a shot to try. All the software I need to run will run just fine on W7 (whether or not I decide to settle on it), and after some investigation, it's another simple driver slipstream that will enable my NVMe drive to boot, I had just neglected to research that ahead of time.So, you're wasting your time figuring out why W7 is suddenly restarting and BSoDing during boot, then patching and hacking around the install media with the fingers crossed while you could just install a newer OS where most (if not all) your hardware would be officially supported and just work out of the box? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (12-07-2017, 09:39 PM)linkdude64 Wrote: Everything you're saying about "official support" and "shiny! new! security!" is rolling right off of me. The fact of the matter is that computational trust is broken top to bottom, and operational security with local redundancy is the only way to protect your data. You hear about the Experian CC # leak? You try and convince me that the customers having the Latest Microsoft® Windows© Updates protected those folks' identities and info from being stolen. Nope, it was human error that caused that leak - the lack of patches was utterly inconsequential. The only way for your information to be safe is for it to not be on the net. When your computer is open to M$, it's just one more gaping hole in your security, because every day brings one more opportunity for some M$ employee who didn't drink his coffee in the morning to expose all of that juicy telemetry/login/onedrive/password data of yours, excluding the fact that they have become overtly malicious to their end-users to begin with.Yeah, let's keep the OS unpatched with lots of known security holes just because some random guy on a big enterprise accidentally leaked private customer data. Then I'll complain later if my PC get hacked or something that I could've avoided by installing an automatic update happens, but wait, I nearly forgot I hadn't access to the update because I insisted in using newer hardware with unsupported OS. And I won't even get into MS telemetry, not again. Just keep in mind that all the data the privacy-paranoid users complains that Windows 10 collects (and that they use as excuse to remain on older versions, like Windows 7) always were silently collected in previous Windows versions too, the difference being that you had no opt-out and that those statements were buried somewhere in the long license agreement that nobody cares to read, while on Windows 10 you have actual settings and toggles to at least opt-out of some of the telemetry they collect. To be honest, if you were really really worried about privacy, you wouldn't be using any Windows version at all. (12-07-2017, 09:39 PM)linkdude64 Wrote: At any rate, if you care to respond, we can just agree to disagree past that. I wanted to show the community what Dolphin under W7 on Ryzen compared to W10 would do, and I accomplished that to the extent I am capable. There is no difference.At the moment, Dolphin might perform the same on W7 and W10 (well, as long as you're not using the DX11 backend) but keep in mind its development is always moving forward, future improvements might require newer features not available on W7 and I bet most devs won't care anyway. Until then, I'll just wait patiently until Jan, 2020, to watch all the whining resulting from the end of extended support for Windows 7...
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(12-07-2017, 09:39 PM)linkdude64 Wrote: The argument that I cannot fully enjoy what my CPU and GPU can offer on Windows 7 compared to Windows 10 in this context has been objectively and demonstratively disproven in this very thread. 6 core 12 thread CPUs were absolutely available and supported when Windows 7 was supported, and the Radeon RX 580 was absolutely supported when Windows 7 was as well. Knowing that m.2 SATA drives were a thing, I figured there might have been some kind of backward compatibility baked in. With a simple pin adapter you can still run SATA III drives on some 25 year old systems, so I thought it was worth a shot to try. All the software I need to run will run just fine on W7 (whether or not I decide to settle on it), and after some investigation, it's another simple driver slipstream that will enable my NVMe drive to boot, I had just neglected to research that ahead of time. Thanks for the results, regardless of what some people think some of us appreciate it! |
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