Mario Kart Wii problems

[guru64]

(02-02-2014, 09:58 AM)babeldude Wrote: I guess my cpu just is not good enough for alot of these games. I just tried Super Mario Galaxy and it is unplayable because it runs at 50% speed! I'll just wait for updates i guess

Development versions are released more recently so I'd keep trying those.


Good luck!

[Shonumi]

guru64 Wrote:What the heck? I merely suggested that he uses what works better until it's figured out, why play with glitches when Dolphin 3.5 works better for him at least so far, is it the opposite day or something? I mean I would want to play without glitches but that's just me lol.

Everyone is free to use whatever revision they want to, but if it's anything older than 4.0, they have to deal with any issues (and 3.5 has a lot of issues that 4.0 fixes) on their own. That's the rules on the forums. I never said you were endorsing older builds though; I was explaining why there was nothing wrong with what DJBarry said. He wasn't trying to talk in place of forum staff, just reciting forum policy.

If the OP is looking for inexpensive upgrades, just about any Haswell CPU clocked at 3GHz and above will run a majority of games fine without overclocking. Based on the new Dolphin CPU Benchmark (see General Discussion) an i5-4130 at stock clocks beats a heavily overclocked i5-2500K at 4.5GHz or something crazy like that. Save up for a mobo and a Haswell CPU and everything will be alright.

[guru64]

(02-02-2014, 10:30 AM)Shonumi Wrote:

guru64 Wrote:What the heck? I merely suggested that he uses what works better until it's figured out, why play with glitches when Dolphin 3.5 works better for him at least so far, is it the opposite day or something? I mean I would want to play without glitches but that's just me lol.

Everyone is free to use whatever revision they want to, but if it's anything older than 4.0, they have to deal with any issues (and 3.5 has a lot of issues that 4.0 fixes) on their own. That's the rules on the forums. I never said you were endorsing older builds though; I was explaining why there was nothing wrong with what DJBarry said. He wasn't trying to talk in place of forum staff, just reciting forum policy.

Yeah I'm more for moving on.

(02-02-2014, 10:30 AM)Shonumi Wrote: If the OP is looking for inexpensive upgrades, just about any Haswell CPU clocked at 3GHz and above will run a majority of games fine without overclocking. Based on the new Dolphin CPU Benchmark (see General Discussion) an i5-4130 at stock clocks beats a heavily overclocked i5-2500K at 4.5GHz or something crazy like that. Save up for a mobo and a Haswell CPU and everything will be alright.

This is a bit confusing, every benchmark comparison I've seen with ivy, haswell, and sandy i5s show they perform only slightly faster from each other,

here is an ivy i5 vs sandy i5:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1bet2FGKRE

Is a haswell i5 at 3GHz really better than 2500k at 4.6 for Dolphin?

[Shonumi]

guru64 Wrote:This is a bit confusing, every benchmark comparison I've seen with ivy, haswell, and sandy i5s show they perform only slightly faster from each other,

That's the problem with benchmarks that don't use Dolphin: they're never going to accurately reflect Dolphin performance. Only a test that measures how hardware performs while running Dolphin will be able to give you a full idea of what that hardware is capable of, for this emulator at least. Everything else is an approximation at best, and useless at worse.

We've seen this plenty of times before. Tests like Passmark don't fully capture how different CPUs handle Dolphin. Dolphin has a unique workload that many benchmarks can't replicate (like dynamically compiling code while simultaneously polling user input while generating various shaders). Take a look at the Dolphin Wind Waker CPU Benchmark (in Hardware) and the more recent Dolphin CPU benchmark in General Discussion.

Whatever changes Intel made to their current microarchitecture really positively affected Dolphin performance. Over Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs, Haswell is easily 20~30% faster. After running two community benchmarks proving this, most of us consider the matter settled (of course that doesn't mean there won't possibly be more benchmarks).

[guru64]

(02-02-2014, 11:03 AM)Shonumi Wrote:

guru64 Wrote:This is a bit confusing, every benchmark comparison I've seen with ivy, haswell, and sandy i5s show they perform only slightly faster from each other,

That's the problem with benchmarks that don't use Dolphin: they're never going to accurately reflect Dolphin performance. Only a test that measures how hardware performs while running Dolphin will be able to give you a full idea of what that hardware is capable of, for this emulator at least. Everything else is an approximation at best, and useless at worse.

We've seen this plenty of times before. Tests like Passmark don't fully capture how different CPUs handle Dolphin. Dolphin has a unique workload that many benchmarks can't replicate (like dynamically compiling code while simultaneously polling user input while generating various shaders). Take a look at the Dolphin Wind Waker CPU Benchmark (in Hardware) and the more recent Dolphin CPU benchmark in General Discussion.

Whatever changes Intel made to their current microarchitecture really positively affected Dolphin performance. Over Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs, Haswell is easily 20~30% faster. After running two community benchmarks proving this, most of us consider the matter settled (of course that doesn't mean there won't possibly be more benchmarks).

I see, Haswell i5 goes for $240 on newegg.com so I might just grab one to test the fps difference. Not sure if i should save up for a better gpu instead though, after trying a low end AMD 6670 1GB and then swapping it for a GTX 560 Ti it gave me 26 fps more than AMD, so the GPU definitely also a plays a role in it.

[Shonumi]

For reference, here were the two test results for an i5-4130 @ 3.4GHz vs an i5-2500K @ 4.7GHz

https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-new-dolphin-cpu-benchmark-no-game-required?pid=308424#pid308424
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-new-dolphin-cpu-benchmark-no-game-required?pid=308202#pid308202

So you can see they're very neck-and-neck despite the difference in clocks, which is very exciting for anyone that wants to upgrade. Basically a lot Haswell CPUs will run many games in Dolphin without issue, even before overclocking. Just posting this because 1) I forgot to earlier and 2) the benchmark thread has a lot of results to wade through :p

[babeldude]

Well, its funny cause i just built this computer a month ago, i dont think i'll be upgrading my motherboard + cpu anytime soon. The only thing i could think of is getting a 8350 instead but then again i dont know if that would make much of a difference. It seems like i'm stuck like this untill Dolphin starts taking advantage of more cores.

[Shonumi]

babeldude Wrote:The only thing i could think of is getting a 8350 instead but then again i dont know if that would make much of a difference.

Actually, the 8350 wouldn't provide a significant improvement. Any money spent on that CPU would be better saved up (if not for a new CPU, than for something else you'd like in your life )

babeldude Wrote:It seems like i'm stuck like this untill Dolphin starts taking advantage of more cores.

There are only a few places where multithreading makes sense and actually enhances Dolphin's performance. If you're curious about the technical details, see our FAQ here: https://dolphin-emu.org/docs/faq/#couldnt-dolphin-use-more-my-cpu-cores-go-faster

[guru64]

(02-02-2014, 11:20 AM)Shonumi Wrote: For reference, here were the two test results for an i5-4130 @ 3.4GHz vs an i5-2500K @ 4.7GHz

https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-new-dolphin-cpu-benchmark-no-game-required?pid=308424#pid308424
https://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-new-dolphin-cpu-benchmark-no-game-required?pid=308202#pid308202

So you can see they're very neck-and-neck despite the difference in clocks, which is very exciting for anyone that wants to upgrade. Basically a lot Haswell CPUs will run many games in Dolphin without issue, even before overclocking. Just posting this because 1) I forgot to earlier and 2) the benchmark thread has a lot of results to wade through :p

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but it says i3-4130 and it does shows equal performance to an i5 2500k at 4.7GHz even though it's at stock, that's crazy! This is definitely news to me, I gotta browse the forums more often. Thanks Shonumi!