Sigh....here we go. Why on earth did you move this SS? Especially after I asked you not to. Now that it's in delfino plaza the conversation is going to turn to shit fast enough to make all of our heads spin.
So....let me get this straight. You wouldn't use a desktop just because they're bigger? And you think that size has something to do with age and technology?
The fact that you don't use your NES anymore has nothing to do with how big it is.
You're also missing the fact that desktops can do some things better than a laptop. You're crazy if you think you can be as productive on a laptop workstation as you can be on a multimonitor desktop workstation. Desktops are not inherently inferior to laptops, they are not "older technology". They are the same technology in a different form factor that is better for different types of tasks. They each have their place in the world.
No it's the same technology in a different form factor.
There is if you want quality. Those cameras haven't gone away in case you've noticed. Ultra-portable cameras might offer quality that is good enough for most common users, but not everyone. If you're really serious about taking high quality photographs/videos you still need a good camera that's not quite so portable. I don't know that much about this particular subject myself but my dad is something of a camera fanatic/amateur photographer and I can tell you most of his cameras bought in the last 6 years are still pretty big and produce image quality that you simply can't get from a typical camera.
.....what? That makes literally no sense. That is a terrible example.
Not to mention half that stuff is still just as big today as it was 30 years ago. And your plasma TV will still need half that stuff if you want to watch cable TV and use high power speakers.
Jesus christ a computer does not have to be highly mobile. That should be obvious to everyone. Media centers don't have to be mobile, they sit in one place. Workstations don't have to be mobile for the same reason. And people rarely play anything but casual games outside of their home for obvious reasons. People still need good workstations, laptops don't provide that as well as desktop do. The same thing goes for gaming systems and media centers. None of these systems NEED mobility so it's usually a non-issue when you're shopping for them. If you travel a lot and you want a mobile workstation then buy a laptop, but that's only a certain group of people, not everyone.
He wasn't correcting anyone he was just randomly ranting about how stupid all desktop users were and how we should just shut up and accept the truth that laptops are better. Not better in specific ways, just better.
I mainly use my home computer for two things: programming and gaming. A desktop is better for both of these things. Laptops can be quite good for both, just not quite as good. From my own personal experiences I do not think laptops are the "godly machines destined to become the future of the PC and rid us of the inferior desktop design" that both of your guys are making them out to be. Also I do a lot of computer repairs at work and for friends and desktops are so much easier to upgrade/repair/mod in my opinion that it has made me hate that fact that most of my friends have laptops because it has made my life a bit more difficult.
That happens a lot around here because we look at the specs of the system the user is trying to use, not because we immediately assume that their laptop is bad. And usually if it's a laptop the specs tend to be below par so we tell them to buy a good desktop because it's cheaper for doing what they want.
Not entirely true. This is a common misconception. Ever since we ran into the heat/power walls microprocessor developers have had to mainly resort to improving energy efficiency and adding more cpus to each chip to increase throughput. This has led to single threaded throughput of laptops/desktops getting closer but multithreaded throughput is still as far apart as it ever was. Next generation ivy bridge laptops will be 2-4 cores while desktops will be split between low end (2-4 cores) and high end (4-8 cores ivy bridge-E) and servers will be mostly 8-16 cores per socket.
The 7870 is an upper mid tier card, the 7950 and 7970 are high end cards available for the same price. The 7970m also requires absurd amounts of power and cooling for a laptop gpu. We've been in the same situation for about 5-6 years now at least, so I don't exactly see this as being a breakthrough. Top of the line laptop gpus have always been one tier below top of the line desktop gpus while costing the same as top tier desktop gpus.
Not to mention that while the 7000m and 600m series have already been mostly released we are still waiting on most of the 7000 and 600 series as well as the price drops that inevitable come when a new series of gpus begins to replace an older series.
You're comparing a current gen. top of the line laptop gpu against an upper mid tier last gen. desktop gpu. That's not exactly fair.
We're not quite there yet. At the moment most laptops are not good enough for most games. You need an absolute top of the line laptop for that while a mid tier desktop will do the job just fine. This is why most of dolphins desktop users are getting much better performance than most of the laptop users unless you're using parts that are several years out of date.
I don't deny that good high end gaming laptops exist. I deny that they are inheritly better than gaming desktops just because of their mobility. Some problems that are common with gaming laptops that you have to watch out for when planning to buy one:
-higher price than an equivalent gaming desktop
-high power consumption leads to poor battery life while gaming
-much bigger and heavier than an average laptop
-requires much more cooling, can sometimes be quite loud while under stress
-upgrading/repairing/modding is far more difficult'
-etc.
As such I prefer to do my gaming and programming on my desktop while using a much lower end laptop for casual stuff like browsing the web on the go.
Quote:To me, a desktop PC is the old way of doing things. Technically, a desktop can do pretty much the same thing that a laptop can do, but in the end it's just a hulking pile of crap taking up way too much space in a world where things are made smaller, work better, are more efficient and are able to do the same exact thing in a small package that we used to do in a big package. The world today is about doing things quick, easy and on the go, there is no reason for a person to ever buy a desktop when a laptop can do everything a desktop can do and more and fits in with today's world so much better. It's okay if you want to still have an old desktop at the house, I still have an old Nintendo I like to look at and smile at, but I would never dream of turning it on.
So....let me get this straight. You wouldn't use a desktop just because they're bigger? And you think that size has something to do with age and technology?
The fact that you don't use your NES anymore has nothing to do with how big it is.
You're also missing the fact that desktops can do some things better than a laptop. You're crazy if you think you can be as productive on a laptop workstation as you can be on a multimonitor desktop workstation. Desktops are not inherently inferior to laptops, they are not "older technology". They are the same technology in a different form factor that is better for different types of tasks. They each have their place in the world.
Quote:In the end, it's just better technology replacing old (in a sense).
No it's the same technology in a different form factor.
Quote:A few examples: We used to walk around with gigantic hand-held video tape recorders (hand-held is a bit generous, it was more like two strong hands held them up) that were the size of professional movie studio cameras today (maybe you're too young to remember those monstrosities), they were great at the time, but now we're able to do pretty much the same thing in the palm of our hands, there is no reason to use something the size of guitar to take video footage anymore.
There is if you want quality. Those cameras haven't gone away in case you've noticed. Ultra-portable cameras might offer quality that is good enough for most common users, but not everyone. If you're really serious about taking high quality photographs/videos you still need a good camera that's not quite so portable. I don't know that much about this particular subject myself but my dad is something of a camera fanatic/amateur photographer and I can tell you most of his cameras bought in the last 6 years are still pretty big and produce image quality that you simply can't get from a typical camera.
Quote:Your desktop is also akin to you buying and old 25" tube TV, then buying a VHS recorder, then buying a DVD player, then buying a stereo receiver, cable box and antenna, stacking them all up next to each other and doing the exact same thing I'm doing with my Plasma.
.....what? That makes literally no sense. That is a terrible example.
Not to mention half that stuff is still just as big today as it was 30 years ago. And your plasma TV will still need half that stuff if you want to watch cable TV and use high power speakers.
Quote:You just don't need to do that anymore, things are so much easier now and require so much less space, you don't need to carry around a cell phone the size of an encyclopedia today. Some of these examples will probably go over your head in how they relate to the actual subject, but honestly, until people start going into computer shops and saying "hi, I'm looking for a computer, but it has to be something big and something I can't move", I do not see the desktop making it another ten years.
Jesus christ a computer does not have to be highly mobile. That should be obvious to everyone. Media centers don't have to be mobile, they sit in one place. Workstations don't have to be mobile for the same reason. And people rarely play anything but casual games outside of their home for obvious reasons. People still need good workstations, laptops don't provide that as well as desktop do. The same thing goes for gaming systems and media centers. None of these systems NEED mobility so it's usually a non-issue when you're shopping for them. If you travel a lot and you want a mobile workstation then buy a laptop, but that's only a certain group of people, not everyone.
Quote:Furthermore, I think you might have gotten the wrong idea from SlickDragon, while he did need an attitude adjustment (as you do many times) he was just defending his right to use a laptop (just as you are with a desktop) in a world where everyone is telling other people "laptops are no good for gaming" when we all know that with the right one, they are.
He wasn't correcting anyone he was just randomly ranting about how stupid all desktop users were and how we should just shut up and accept the truth that laptops are better. Not better in specific ways, just better.
I mainly use my home computer for two things: programming and gaming. A desktop is better for both of these things. Laptops can be quite good for both, just not quite as good. From my own personal experiences I do not think laptops are the "godly machines destined to become the future of the PC and rid us of the inferior desktop design" that both of your guys are making them out to be. Also I do a lot of computer repairs at work and for friends and desktops are so much easier to upgrade/repair/mod in my opinion that it has made me hate that fact that most of my friends have laptops because it has made my life a bit more difficult.
Quote:emulation enthusiasts that upon seeing the world laptop or gaming laptop immediately fire off ignorant assertions that its not a viable solution or up to par.
That happens a lot around here because we look at the specs of the system the user is trying to use, not because we immediately assume that their laptop is bad. And usually if it's a laptop the specs tend to be below par so we tell them to buy a good desktop because it's cheaper for doing what they want.
Quote:It is clear from Intel that their focus is on leveling the playing field between desktop and laptop processors,
Not entirely true. This is a common misconception. Ever since we ran into the heat/power walls microprocessor developers have had to mainly resort to improving energy efficiency and adding more cpus to each chip to increase throughput. This has led to single threaded throughput of laptops/desktops getting closer but multithreaded throughput is still as far apart as it ever was. Next generation ivy bridge laptops will be 2-4 cores while desktops will be split between low end (2-4 cores) and high end (4-8 cores ivy bridge-E) and servers will be mostly 8-16 cores per socket.
Quote:The reason that I and millions of others across the world are ecstatic and celebrating, is due to the eagerly anticipated near-parity between Mobile Gpu's and Desktop Gpu's, which has finally been realized. With the introduction of the sub 100 Tdp Mobile King 7970m, we finally have a practically full powered 7870 in a mobile package, and at an amazing retail price of $450, which is nearly on par with its brother the 7870, and not much more expensive then the Gtx 570/580.
The 7870 is an upper mid tier card, the 7950 and 7970 are high end cards available for the same price. The 7970m also requires absurd amounts of power and cooling for a laptop gpu. We've been in the same situation for about 5-6 years now at least, so I don't exactly see this as being a breakthrough. Top of the line laptop gpus have always been one tier below top of the line desktop gpus while costing the same as top tier desktop gpus.
Not to mention that while the 7000m and 600m series have already been mostly released we are still waiting on most of the 7000 and 600 series as well as the price drops that inevitable come when a new series of gpus begins to replace an older series.
Quote:The result in this case is a mobile Gpu that finally massacres the 560ti, cruises by the 570, and even challenges the 580. With a slight overclock made by the new 28nm chip it passes the monstrous Nvidia Flagship, with a respectable amount of overclockability remaining in reserve. As a result every single released PC game to date can be played smoothly at Max settings at a laptops native 1080p resolution, including metro 2033, crysis/crysis2, and even The Witcher 2. For the hordes of Gamers that connect/wirelessly stream their True Elite Gaming Laptops to higher definition displays, the 7970m's 153.6 GB bandwith (nearly on par with the Phantasmal Gtx 680 mind you) won't let them down.
You're comparing a current gen. top of the line laptop gpu against an upper mid tier last gen. desktop gpu. That's not exactly fair.
Quote:I hope that the dolphin forums will eventually come to the same sensible conclusion that the Pcsx2 forums has unanimously come to in regards to the viability of Laptops for emulation. Alas the day seems to be far off, but luckily there are a few Enlightened Beacons of Reason like Starscream and Shonumi around, and perhaps the day will come when others see the light.
We're not quite there yet. At the moment most laptops are not good enough for most games. You need an absolute top of the line laptop for that while a mid tier desktop will do the job just fine. This is why most of dolphins desktop users are getting much better performance than most of the laptop users unless you're using parts that are several years out of date.
I don't deny that good high end gaming laptops exist. I deny that they are inheritly better than gaming desktops just because of their mobility. Some problems that are common with gaming laptops that you have to watch out for when planning to buy one:
-higher price than an equivalent gaming desktop
-high power consumption leads to poor battery life while gaming
-much bigger and heavier than an average laptop
-requires much more cooling, can sometimes be quite loud while under stress
-upgrading/repairing/modding is far more difficult'
-etc.
As such I prefer to do my gaming and programming on my desktop while using a much lower end laptop for casual stuff like browsing the web on the go.
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