Laptop/Desktop Conversation

[NaturalViolence]

Quote:This thread has always been about that.

The poll may have been worded badly, but the content of the thread is generally about being able to replace a desktop with a high-end laptop for gaming, music, movies and web, just as it always has been.

Actually if you read through the thread again you'll find that was not what this thread was about at the beginning. We weren't even originally talking about that at all. You just abruptly decided to change the subject. And every time anyone tried to change it back you just ignored them and pretended that this was the subject that everyone came here to talk about.

This was and is a "laptop vs. desktop" thread. Not a "are gaming laptops just as fast as desktops?" thread. The thread was not about that specific question. This was started as a more general discussion thread. The contents of the first few pages and the poll both confirm that.

This is how it started (I've stated this four times now):

NaturalViolence Wrote:He wasn't correcting anyone he was just randomly ranting about how stupid all desktop users were and how we should just shut up and accept the truth that laptops are better. Not better in specific ways, just better.

^That's how this all started.

Quote:Money was never a factor, if it was possible or not was the only criteria.

Money is a huge factor in whether to buy a laptop or desktop. Which has been what this whole thread was about.

Edit: For the record I tried very hard not to bring this up and just kept debating whatever you said. But now you've just declared yourself the victor in an argument that hardly anybody was making except when pressed about it and stating that the entire threads purpose was to answer some super specific question. And that hit a nerve.

[Starscream]

I guess you don't recall that I was the one who actually created this thread regardless of whose name is on the first post. I moved this to Delfino so I could start a discussion that I wanted to have away from the other thread. People kept getting the wrong idea about what the thread was about and I had to get things on the right track several times. I always knew what this was going to be about since I moved it for that purpose. Looking back now, the best thing would have been to not merge and just start fresh with my own post. Not doing that is what confused everything.

Quote:Money is a huge factor in whether to buy a laptop or desktop

Not for me. I wouldn't buy a desktop at all.

[NaturalViolence]

Of course that would confuse people! Jesus I never even realized that you were trying to do that because that makes no sense.

You moved somebody elses thread while they were still posted in it and expected us to now all instantly realize that this was "your thread"? Were you surprised that we continued talking about the subject we had been talking about?

Quote:Looking back now, the best thing would have been to not merge and just start fresh with my own post. Not doing that is what confused everything.

Yes!

You can't just hijack someones thread like that. If I'm understanding you correctly you moved this thread then tried to say/imply "this is my thread now, here is the new topic, please change all current discussion to this one and forget about everything up to this point because it no longer matters".

You even named the poll off of the original topic. Not to mention people read the OP and thread title to determine the thread subject, neither of which were changed.

Now it all makes sense. Now I understand why it felt like I was talking to wall that was constantly trying to change the subject this entire time. Why we've been going to circles for pages and pages.

Edit: Alright I think I'm done for today. I'm tired and I have two weeks of the colbert report that I missed to catch up on.

[Starscream]

(06-07-2012, 06:47 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Of course that would confuse people! Jesus I never even realized that you were trying to do that because that makes no sense.

You moved somebody elses thread while they were still posted in it and expected us to now all instantly realize that this was "your thread"? Were you surprised that we continued talking about the subject we had been talking about?

Quote:Looking back now, the best thing would have been to not merge and just start fresh with my own post. Not doing that is what confused everything.

Yes!

You can't just hijack someones thread like that. If I'm understanding you correctly you moved this thread then tried to say/imply "this is my thread now, here is the new topic, please change all current discussion to this one and forget about everything up to this point because it no longer matters".

You even named the poll off of the original topic. Not to mention people read the OP and thread title to determine the thread subject, neither of which were changed.

Now it all makes sense. Now I understand why it felt like I was talking to wall that was constantly trying to change the subject this entire time. Why we've been going to circles for pages and pages.

Edit: Alright I think I'm done for today. I'm tired and I have two weeks of the colbert report that I missed to catch up on.

You're a silly guy. I didn't hi-jack anything. This conversation didn't belong where it was right in the middle and off-topic in another thread. That's why it got moved. After that I decided to make sure it was going in the right direction here because it was a topic I was interested in exploring further.

Slickdragon was always talking about how laptop CPU's and GPU's were as good or almost as good as desktop components, so how far of a stretch is that from what I was talking about? He was basically saying the same thing that I was, only he left and I was still here talking. Naturally I have different ideas than he does, and we talked about them. I was the only one left making the laptop case, so naturally what I was saying had to be addressed by everyone since everyone else was on the desktop wagon. If it seemed like I was trying to convince you that a laptop is a good choice in a PC and the rest of the users were trying to convince me that a desktop is a good PC to use, it should have seemed like that, because that's what it was. Threads evolve, get off-topic and head in new directions, surely I don't have to explain that to you.

Hehe, you're good for a laugh though. I stole and hi-jacked a thread, then I proceeded to force everyone to talk about something that they didn't want to talk about. :p

[NaturalViolence]

When you take somebody else's thread, try to make it your own, and then change the subject that's called hijacking a thread. This was a perfect example of that term if I've ever seen one.

Quote:Slickdragon was always talking about how laptop CPU's and GPU's were as good or almost as good as desktop components, so how far of a stretch is that from what I was talking about?

That was one sentence as part of a multi-paragraph rant about how much better laptops are and why there is no point in buying a desktop. His general point was that there is no reason to buy a desktop. Which is what I was arguing against.

Quote:He was basically saying the same thing that I was, only he left and I was still here talking. Naturally I have different ideas than he does, and we talked about them. I was the only one left making the laptop case, so naturally what I was saying had to be addressed by everyone since everyone else was on the desktop wagon. If it seemed like I was trying to convince you that a laptop is a good choice in a PC and the rest of the users were trying to convince me that a desktop is a good PC to use, it should have seemed like that, because that's what it was. Threads evolve, get off-topic and head in new directions, surely I don't have to explain that to you.

If that's what you wanted to do then you should have made a new thread. The way you executed this whole thing was......weird.

[Starscream]

(06-07-2012, 11:44 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: When you take somebody else's thread, try to make it your own, and then change the subject that's called hijacking a thread. This was a perfect example of that term if I've ever seen one.

That's because you don't know what you're talking about. There was no thread, it was off-topic crap being talked about in an unrelated thread that was merged here. Anyway, I'm done talking to you about this, you just seem to not get it in a number of situations. Your logic and understanding is ass-backwards and is out in left field somewhere. None of this matters anyway.

[AnyOldName3]

(06-07-2012, 06:13 AM)Starscream Wrote:

(06-07-2012, 05:47 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: Also one of our main points is that you may find a laptop to match a desktop

Not a single person has admitted to that since the start of this thread. Thanks.

(06-07-2012, 05:47 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: but for that amount of money, you could get a desktop which could beat it.

Money was never a factor, if it was possible or not was the only criteria.

The important word in your first quote is may. If, for example, I was to throw billions of dollars at Intel and nVidia, then they could probably be persuaded to build me a brilliant laptop computer that had had billions of dollars of R and D put into making it. However, they'd probably be able to build me a more powerful desktop with the same money, and would probably have some of it left over with which to develop skymont etc..

Also, the desktop may have things such as pioneering automated LN2 cooling in a sealed system, much like modern water cooling, but colder. I can more or less guarantee that if they put a similar system in the laptop, it would no longer be a sensible device to use on the top of your lap, or take with you on the train, or use for a sensible period of time without swapping out the batteries or plugging it in. I also doubt that when in use, it would actually be able to charge its batteries with its power draw, so would, in fact, only be useful in the same situations as a desktop.

[NaturalViolence]

If you're arguing if a laptop can be just as powerful as ANY desktop regardless of financial constraints the answer is obviously no. With the ability to have several (up to 4 at the moment) top of the line GPUs running in parallel, several top of the line CPUs running in parallel, phase change cooling for overclocks up to 6GHz on modern cpus, many SSDs running in parallel through an RAID card, up to 128GB of RAM on a multi-socket motherboard, etc. a desktop will obviously win. Sure this will cost a lot but if the question doesn't take financial limitation into account than this is the answer. You cannot build a top of the line custom laptop setup that is on par with a top of the line desktop setup.

Now if you say "but that's far too expensive and unpractical". Then why would it be ok to compare an $800 desktop against a $2,000-4,000 laptop and say "price doesn't matter"? You can build a laptop that is on par with a high end desktop for several times as much but for the same cost you could build an even more powerful desktop.

In either case in boils down to desktops having higher performance per dollar no matter how much or how little you spend. Desktops will always outperform laptops at every price range due to technical limitations. And desktops will always be able to scale higher than laptops in performance due to the same technical limitations.

[Starscream]

If we want to nail it down to specifics, if you have your 2500k and I have the 3920xm, we are both generally going to be able to play the same games and do the same amount of stuff, generally. That was it. In that case, my laptop can keep up and do whatever you're going to do with a desktop, generally. So back to the original argument, there is no reason a laptop cannot play games as a desktop can in_most_cases.

[NaturalViolence]

But now you're changing the question again. What exactly is the question we're supposed to be debating here? What premises are you using or what arguments are you making?