(06-29-2013, 07:38 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote:Well I actually do use a lot of 3D programs for CAD such as Solidworks, and I do use video editing programs like Adobe After Effects. But as far as gaming goes, the FX 8350 has repeatedly shown to be better for PC gaming.... I'm convinced that intel is better for Dolphin, but its night and day that the 8350 is better than intel on similarly priced cpus including the 2500k and the 3570k when it comes to most PC games, now on some Intel still does better for example Metro 2033, probably cpu optimization, but at the price point, it's better. And the power consumption difference is not that great, 17$ a year difference. Considering you start out saving around 50$, you are still saving money. Intel is definitely better per core, I agree on that.omarman Wrote:I just feel like this forums is SUPER Intel fanboy/biased, I mean seriously.
That tends to happen when you go on a gaming forum where every single application that the average user uses runs faster on comparably priced Intel cpus and with lower power consumption. Most of the applications that run faster on FX series cpus are either scientific, server, 3D content creation/rendering, or deal with image/video editing. How many of these apps do you think those people are running? The other thing to consider is the fact that people in those communities tend to have a lot of disposable income. They're usually willing to pay the $300-400 for a high end Intel cpu that will give them the best performance possible.
If you're curious how your cpu stacks up against others in dolphin you can view the compiled results of our cpu benchmark here: https://skydrive.live.com/view.aspx?resi...tZv6Pc_h84
Just built my PC, is it fast enough?
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omarman Wrote:Well I actually do use a lot of 3D programs for CAD such as Solidworks, and I do use video editing programs like Adobe After Effects. I know you do but my point is that most don't. So the fact that it's better for these kinds of workloads is a null argument to your typical gamer. Which is why they favor Intel. omarman Wrote:But as far as gaming goes, the FX 8350 has repeatedly shown to be better for PC gaming.... I'm convinced that intel is better for Dolphin, but its night and day that the 8350 is better than intel on similarly priced cpus including the 2500k and the 3570k when it comes to most PC games, now on some Intel still does better for example Metro 2033, probably cpu optimization, but at the price point, it's better. I must strongly disagree with this. Out of the dozens and dozens of PC game benchmarks I've seen I'm not sure if I've even seen one where the FX 8350 didn't get stomped on by almost every Intel sandy/ivy/haswell cpu. Sometimes the framerate difference is as little as 3 fps, sometimes it's 30+. But they're pretty much all faster on Intel cpus. And if there are any that run faster on the 8350 it's an extremely rare exception to the rule. Frametime benchmarks are much worse. Even in the games where Intel only takes a few fps lead in framerate the frame times are far more erratic on the FX 8350 due to not being able to cope with sudden cpu intensive events (collision physics and AI mainly). Surely with the widely available benchmarking data backing this up you can understand why Intel cpus are currently recommended for high budget ($150+) gaming? omarman Wrote:And the power consumption difference is not that great, 17$ a year difference. The problem with high cpu power consumption is not really your energy bill. It's heat. Higher power consumption = higher TDP. I have a 77 watt TDP cpu and with the IGP turned off it's more like 65 watts (i5 3570K in case you were wondering). And it gets pretty toasty in my room after awhile as it is. If I overclock it to 125 watt TDP (the same TDP as an FX 8350) my room becomes an oven very quickly when doing any cpu intensive task like PC gaming or emulation. For someone with a larger room this might not be an issue but for me it sure is. The other issue with high TDP cpus is how much cooling you need. Especially if you OC. If you're trying to build a small quiet system like I recently did with my HTPC the high TDP of FX cpus pretty much rules them out. This is also why OEMs are steering clear of them for most of their desktops. So yeah. Lower performance with PC games and emulators as well as higher TDP. This is why people don't recommend them on gaming forums.
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People do more things with their CPUs than running Dolphin.
for low budget/low cpu power get AMD for higher prices/more cpu power get Intel. you can stick to HLE as long as the game runs, use LLE when needed. (06-29-2013, 12:44 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote:omarman Wrote:But as far as gaming goes, the FX 8350 has repeatedly shown to be better for PC gaming.... I'm convinced that intel is better for Dolphin, but its night and day that the 8350 is better than intel on similarly priced cpus including the 2500k and the 3570k when it comes to most PC games, now on some Intel still does better for example Metro 2033, probably cpu optimization, but at the price point, it's better.I must strongly disagree with this. Out of the dozens and dozens of PC game benchmarks I've seen I'm not sure if I've even seen one where the FX 8350 didn't get stomped on by almost every Intel sandy/ivy/haswell cpu. Sometimes the framerate difference is as little as 3 fps, sometimes it's 30+. But they're pretty much all faster on Intel cpus. And if there are any that run faster on the 8350 it's an extremely rare exception to the rule. Frametime benchmarks are much worse. Even in the games where Intel only takes a few fps lead in framerate the frame times are far more erratic on the FX 8350 due to not being able to cope with sudden cpu intensive events (collision physics and AI mainly). Okay, just watch this video, watch all of it, and you will see your previous paragraph is unreal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc Seriously, watch it. 06-29-2013, 02:30 PM
(06-29-2013, 02:20 PM)omarman Wrote:Now, seriously,(06-29-2013, 12:44 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote:omarman Wrote:But as far as gaming goes, the FX 8350 has repeatedly shown to be better for PC gaming.... I'm convinced that intel is better for Dolphin, but its night and day that the 8350 is better than intel on similarly priced cpus including the 2500k and the 3570k when it comes to most PC games, now on some Intel still does better for example Metro 2033, probably cpu optimization, but at the price point, it's better.I must strongly disagree with this. Out of the dozens and dozens of PC game benchmarks I've seen I'm not sure if I've even seen one where the FX 8350 didn't get stomped on by almost every Intel sandy/ivy/haswell cpu. Sometimes the framerate difference is as little as 3 fps, sometimes it's 30+. But they're pretty much all faster on Intel cpus. And if there are any that run faster on the 8350 it's an extremely rare exception to the rule. Frametime benchmarks are much worse. Even in the games where Intel only takes a few fps lead in framerate the frame times are far more erratic on the FX 8350 due to not being able to cope with sudden cpu intensive events (collision physics and AI mainly). People here aren't really biased towards intel. You asked if your pc will be fast enough for dolphin, yes, for DOLPHIN, you're in Dolphin Emulator Discussion and Support. They only told ya what's gonna be better if you want to play Wii/GC games using the emu. And no, Intel processors are generally better in gaming than AMD's offerings per clock. Just go to trustworthy benchmarking sites and you'll understand, actually, you don't need to. Just browse the forums and you'll understand.
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Intel Core I7 4702MQ (Haswell) @ 2.9Ghz Turbo Boost up to 3.20GHz Nvidia Geforce GTX 760m 2GB 8 GB RAM 750 GB HDD 7200 RPM @ 1600X900 Resolution 06-29-2013, 02:38 PM
All I ask is that you watch it. Be open minded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4et7kDGSRfc 06-29-2013, 02:44 PM
Does this man have any data compiled in text form?
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(06-29-2013, 02:44 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Does this man have any data compiled in text form?https://teksyndicate.com/videos/amd-fx-8...-continues This is as text form as it's going to get, but if you do watch the video, you will at least change your mind a little about AMD. I understand you are trying to not be biased, I can see it, you feel as though intel is statistically better based off tests and not on your opinions. I'm trying to show you, that you may be incorrect, based off his benchmarks. 06-29-2013, 02:50 PM
(06-29-2013, 02:38 PM)omarman Wrote: All I ask is that you watch it. Be open minded.people here worship intel, don`t waste your time. 06-29-2013, 02:53 PM
(06-29-2013, 02:50 PM)omega_rugal Wrote:I believe it's not too late, I don't think they worship intel for the wrong reasons, I just think they haven't seen enough evidence to support that AMD is now competitive with intel. I won't give up yet, not until they watch that video.(06-29-2013, 02:38 PM)omarman Wrote: All I ask is that you watch it. Be open minded.people here worship intel, don`t waste your time. |
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