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HTPC with dolphin capability
10-19-2014, 08:44 AM
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(10-19-2014, 04:25 AM)ThePokeman92 Wrote:
(10-18-2014, 06:14 PM)KHg8m3r Wrote: In another recent thread, NV said that the measured performance hit is about 10-20% difference between the g3258 and the i5/i7, which translated to the G3258 at 4.6 Ghz performing the same as the i5/i7 at 4.4 Ghz.

This is true, but it is a benchmark situation vs real use, for which my original question was won't it be worse if other stuff is running in the background since there are no extra cores to take on more work?

(10-19-2014, 12:02 AM)grottkjell Wrote:
(10-18-2014, 08:27 AM)ThePokeman92 Wrote:
(10-18-2014, 06:45 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote:
yl-smash Wrote:Definitely go for the pentium g3258 on a z97 board, should be able to oc that to around 4.5 and it runs as fast as the i7 4790k/i5 4690k in Dolphin.

It doesn't run as fast as those cpus but it gets fairly close.

Is everyone sure about that? It would seem to me that the G3258, which is a dual core chip, would be noticeably slower than the i5/i7 because all of the other windows processes need to run on the same threads as Dolphin. This could lead to major slowdowns, especially if this is a true HTPC which would make it internet-connected with antivirus and media streaming such as Plex. I'd almost rather try an i5/i7 with no graphics card in a smaller case and pay a little more for a good cooling solution than to use the pentium...ESPECIALLY if there's the potential this PC might be used by more than one person at the same time (i.e. streaming a video to one TV and Dolphin on the main).

I'm not sure what your budget would be like, but provided you have enough money you can get something with the 4770R processor and Iris graphics, eliminating the need for a GPU if all you're doing is Dolphin in terms of games.

TL;DR the G3258 might be similar in benchmarks, but not in real-world use.

Haven't taken a look at processors with Iris graphics, is Iris graphics succifient for scaling up to 720p and 1080p? Do they require alot of power from the PSU (the cases I'm looking at will most likely not have potential for a PSU over 300W)? Sounds like something to look up, since it would fit very nicely into the case to not have a discrete graphics card.

The computer will not be used by several people at the same time as you describe but ofc it will run some background stuff, especially since i will use Windows (but maybe Linux also).

Keep the info coming!

Thanks!

Well I have no personal experience with the Iris Pro graphics, but I was able to use 2-3x IR on a GT 540M which according to notebookcheck.net is much worse in performance than the Iris Pro. Not only that but I have had several people tell me you can achieve 2-3x IR on intel HD graphics, so I would imagine the Iris Pro can do even better. What would really take performance hits would be improved AA, AF, shading, etc., and probably directX over OpenGL. Someone with more experience there might want to verify that though?


Oh ok, I was under the impression that it was necessary with quite a bit more than intel HD graphics to scale up to 720p/1080p (1080p corresponds to 3x IR, right?). But with that in mind, how well would Radeon r7 250 perform regarding scaling capabilities? If r7 250 if sufficient for 2-3x scaling that would be great, as it would fit my case very nicely. Smile
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10-19-2014, 09:54 AM
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Do you already have a case, and would this case fit?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I3EKXDE/?tag=pcpapi-20
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10-19-2014, 11:10 AM
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(10-19-2014, 09:54 AM)combine1237 Wrote: Do you already have a case, and would this case fit?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I3EKXDE/?tag=pcpapi-20

I've looked like crazy for a perfect case, but my TV stand isn't the most optimal in my scenario Sad. So, in order to fit the HTPC without having to move too many of my other things stored in the TV stand I've been looking at http://www.in-win.com.tw/Corporate/en/goods.php?act=view&id=BP671 which is pretty darn small.

The components I'm currently looking at are:

CPU: I3 4370 3,8 GHz (or overclocked G3258, but im scared as my PSU will be constraining me perhaps?)
GPU: Amd Radeon r7 250
Motherboard: ASRock H81M ITX
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x 4GB DDR3
CASE: In-Win BP671 (link above)
PSU: Be-Quiet TFX Power 2 gold 300W (http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/496 , either that or the 250W PSU that comes with the case)
SSD: Intel 520 120GB


Do you guys think that:

A: Will it be enough performance to run Dolphin with 2x scaling or more?
B (thought I might as well ask you guys since I'm not very experienced with this kind of question): Will this system be able to run with only a 300W PSU or is it on the edge?
C: Will i be able to run this system but with an overclocked G3258, with only 300W PSU?

Thanks!

P.S. - Very tired atm, So I might've written something really silly or stupid or w/e.
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10-19-2014, 03:17 PM
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(10-19-2014, 11:10 AM)grottkjell Wrote:
(10-19-2014, 09:54 AM)combine1237 Wrote: Do you already have a case, and would this case fit?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I3EKXDE/?tag=pcpapi-20

I've looked like crazy for a perfect case, but my TV stand isn't the most optimal in my scenario Sad. So, in order to fit the HTPC without having to move too many of my other things stored in the TV stand I've been looking at http://www.in-win.com.tw/Corporate/en/goods.php?act=view&id=BP671 which is pretty darn small.

The components I'm currently looking at are:

CPU: I3 4370 3,8 GHz (or overclocked G3258, but im scared as my PSU will be constraining me perhaps?)
GPU: Amd Radeon r7 250
Motherboard: ASRock H81M ITX
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x 4GB DDR3
CASE: In-Win BP671 (link above)
PSU: Be-Quiet TFX Power 2 gold 300W (http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/496 , either that or the 250W PSU that comes with the case)
SSD: Intel 520 120GB


Do you guys think that:

A: Will it be enough performance to run Dolphin with 2x scaling or more?
B (thought I might as well ask you guys since I'm not very experienced with this kind of question): Will this system be able to run with only a 300W PSU or is it on the edge?
C: Will i be able to run this system but with an overclocked G3258, with only 300W PSU?

Thanks!

P.S. - Very tired atm, So I might've written something really silly or stupid or w/e.

I looked at the two cases and they are barely 1/10 of an inch different in width, so if you could spare the height and length go with the raven, as you can fit cards like the 980 and 290x in there.
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10-19-2014, 07:53 PM
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(10-19-2014, 03:17 PM)combine1237 Wrote:
(10-19-2014, 11:10 AM)grottkjell Wrote:
(10-19-2014, 09:54 AM)combine1237 Wrote: Do you already have a case, and would this case fit?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I3EKXDE/?tag=pcpapi-20

I've looked like crazy for a perfect case, but my TV stand isn't the most optimal in my scenario Sad. So, in order to fit the HTPC without having to move too many of my other things stored in the TV stand I've been looking at http://www.in-win.com.tw/Corporate/en/goods.php?act=view&id=BP671 which is pretty darn small.

The components I'm currently looking at are:

CPU: I3 4370 3,8 GHz (or overclocked G3258, but im scared as my PSU will be constraining me perhaps?)
GPU: Amd Radeon r7 250
Motherboard: ASRock H81M ITX
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x 4GB DDR3
CASE: In-Win BP671 (link above)
PSU: Be-Quiet TFX Power 2 gold 300W (http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/496 , either that or the 250W PSU that comes with the case)
SSD: Intel 520 120GB


Do you guys think that:

A: Will it be enough performance to run Dolphin with 2x scaling or more?
B (thought I might as well ask you guys since I'm not very experienced with this kind of question): Will this system be able to run with only a 300W PSU or is it on the edge?
C: Will i be able to run this system but with an overclocked G3258, with only 300W PSU?

Thanks!

P.S. - Very tired atm, So I might've written something really silly or stupid or w/e.

I looked at the two cases and they are barely 1/10 of an inch different in width, so if you could spare the height and length go with the raven, as you can fit cards like the 980 and 290x in there.

I've looked at it before, among with all the other relevant chassis I could find and it fits, but doesn't give me room for cables in the back (it's the same with many others I've looked at). So it's too deep. My TV stand is like 37.5cm deep so I'd prefer to have something like ~32cm deep, but even then it's somewhat tight. So my main restrictions on the case are: ~32cm deep, 11cm high and preferably 35cm in width, but if necessary I could go higher than that (in width).
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10-31-2014, 11:37 AM
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The Pokeman92 Wrote:This is true, but it is a benchmark situation vs real use, for which my original question was won't it be worse if other stuff is running in the background since there are no extra cores to take on more work?

The extra two cores allow background tasks and system processes to be run on separate cores along with a few low load dolphin threads. The result is a 10-20% speedup. Synthetic benchmarks will also experience a speedup for the same reason just not quite as significant.
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