(02-25-2013, 03:54 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Even with HLE I have trouble believing there were no slowdowns at all. Also there are no amd cpus with the model number A10-5700K.I didn't mean to put the "k" on the end of it. I hate how everyone is so nitpicking about the way people type on here. Everyone is always trying to down the A10 APU, but it really is pretty remarkable for it's cost. I'm not real big on AMD. My gaming rig has the corei5 3570k. To run emulaters, something that powerful is not needed. I know everyone will start bashing my statement but I don't care.
HTPC with AMD A10-5700 not able to run Wii games?Any settings tweaks/recommendations?
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but are you implying that a gaming rig needs a core i5 3570K and an emulation rig doesn't? Because that's pretty much the exact opposite of reality. An A10 will do fine for PC gaming in most cases but is not sufficient for high end GC/Wii emulation. People around here usually only bash statements when something is posted that is blatantly wrong. And nitpicking merely serves to improve the quality of the posts on these forums.
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-Ron Swanson "I shall be a good politician, even if it kills me. Or if it kills anyone else for that matter. " -Mark Antony (02-24-2013, 07:25 PM)admin89 Wrote:I use LLE for Galaxy 2. It's not that much more taxing if you have more than 2 cores. I like how you people assume crap without knowing what you are talking about. P.S. I prolly wont be posting on here anymore because everyone is way to F-ing picking on the way people type. Plus a shit ton of people "act" like they know everything about dolphin on here. If this is dolpins official forum thats a bunch of crap because of all the ungrateful know-it alls on here. I'm 26 years old and I've been building Pc's since I was 13. I've been using emulaters since 2000 and been running dolphin since 2007.Quote:We never experienced any slowdown or hiccupsMario Galaxy 2 need LLE backend (dsp_coef.bin & dsp_rom.bin) . You're using HLE so that does not count (02-25-2013, 03:21 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Perhaps I am misunderstanding you but are you implying that a gaming rig needs a core i5 3570K and an emulation rig doesn't? Because that's pretty much the exact opposite of reality. An A10 will do fine for PC gaming in most cases but is not sufficient for high end GC/Wii emulation. People around here usually only bash statements when something is posted that is blatantly wrong. And nitpicking merely serves to improve the quality of the posts on these forums.You guys act like you you own this forum or something. There is no way in Hell a serious pc gaming would think that the A10 would be fine for a gaming rig. These days a lot of people are building "cheap" htpc's to have in their living room and would like to play gc/wii games or even ps2. For your money, you cant go wrong with the A10. All the games That I have played, there is not a whole lot of a difference between 2.5x and 4x. I built a $400 machine for my living room that I can play wii/gc games that look better than they did on the wii. To run HD textures packs and stuff like that the A10 by itself wouldnt suffice, but other than that it's totally fine. I know for a fact because I play on it everyday. I never hardly boot up dolphin on my gaming rig. I can see you guys are not fond of me, so like I said before, you wont here from me any more.
Then I assume you're starting to spread lie . Most people have the same CPU as yours say the opposite
Even i5 3570k stock speed is not powerful enough to run Mario Galaxy full speed all the time (Edit : i forgot to include LLE) Quote:If this is dolpins official forum thats a bunch of crap because of all the ungrateful know-it alls on hereAre you trying to insult all of us ? Do you even read the rule ? At least , Try to act calmly as "26" years old like you said and provide evidence if you want other people to listen to you Edit : He apologized via PM . Quote:I can see you guys are not fond of meYou're in the same position as me 3 years ago I was no good at English at that time , my post was kinda rude to other member and I didn't know how to express my thoughts into words .Thanks to Dolphin members , my English was improved a lot ... You should not leave . If you was here for a long time like me , your attitude might change Laptop: Mini PC :: 02-25-2013, 04:58 PM
(02-25-2013, 03:39 PM)admin89 Wrote: Then I assume you're starting to spread lie . Most people have the same CPU as yours say the oppositeThe reason I sent the pm was because I didnt want to make sure all grammer and everything was correct. Plus I felt like arguing and the discussion going on didnt need to continue here on the thread. But all in all, I feel like we need to drop this arguement because I'm happy with the performance of my cheap htpc compared to my gaming rig. I dont want to clutter up your threads with arguements. 02-25-2013, 06:18 PM
I apologize but this is going to be a long post.
robreavis Wrote:Plus I felt like arguing and the discussion going on didnt need to continue here on the thread. But all in all, I feel like we need to drop this arguement because I'm happy with the performance of my cheap htpc compared to my gaming rig. I dont want to clutter up your threads with arguements. Perhaps I am alone in this (I doubt it) but I strongly believe that arguments are one of the best teaching tools available. The competitive drive to be in the right causes people to strive to learn more. We should not stray away from them just because we are afraid that people might tell us we're wrong. The OPs question was answered adequately almost immediately after it was posted over a month ago and he hasn't come back since. Therefore I think it's safe to assume that this discussion can be continued without disrupting the function of the thread. Now, onto business. Let me offer you a few pointers for future encounters with people here if I may. robreavis Wrote:I use LLE for Galaxy 2. It's not that much more taxing if you have more than 2 cores. I like how you people assume crap without knowing what you are talking about. You might have a good point to make here. Unfortunately I don't know what it is. I literally don't even know what you're arguing against here or what "crap we're assuming". Please elaborate. robreavis Wrote:P.S. I prolly wont be posting on here anymore because everyone is way to F-ing picking on the way people type. Why would you stop posting here just because you think the people here correct you too much? When you say "the way people type" are you referring to spelling? Grammar? Both? Those are important communication skills for written languages wouldn't you agree? Hell I wish people would point out my mistakes more often so I could learn from them and improve my writing skills. Also complaining that people are being too aggressive by insulting them is generally not a good idea. Come on! You're 26 you should know better than to do that! robreavis Wrote:Plus a shit ton of people "act" like they know everything about dolphin on here. If this is dolpins official forum thats a bunch of crap because of all the ungrateful know-it alls on here. robreavis Wrote:You guys act like you you own this forum or something. Nobody here knows everything above dolphin or claims to. However a lot of us do know a lot about dolphin simply due to the amount of time we've spent here over the years absorbing information and participating in community activities like beta testing and benchmarking. As such we have our doubts about anything that contradicts previously well established evidence and want them to "prove it". In other words if you state something that has been previously established as wrong by the community you must make an attempt to prove it. I know that might make us seem like "know-it-alls" but in reality all we want you to do is follow the same rules and methods that we had to follow to get here. Simply taking everyone's word for it every time anyone makes a claim would be wrong for obvious reasons. This is the only way to establish credibility to any future claims that we make. I also know that we can be a tad rude sometimes but you have to understand that we have to deal with a lot of idiots everyday. Which has a tendency to drive people nuts. Ultimately we care far more about the claims you're making and the evidence that you have to support them than who you are or how good your spelling or grammar is. Though we will still likely point these things out because writing skills are important in a domain where the only available means of communication is through writing. robreavis Wrote:I'm 26 years old and I've been building Pc's since I was 13. I've been using emulaters since 2000 and been running dolphin since 2007. This mentality strikes me as odd. I have encountered it a few times. It is similar to the formal logical fallacy "appeal to authority". It typically boils down to "I'm of a mature age and have been doing this activity that you've been discussing for a very long time." thereby implying that this somehow makes whatever statement(s) they're trying to make more valid. Let me tell you. It does not. It it completely irrelevant and should never be brought up in this context for any reason. Nobody cares how old you are or how long you've been doing things. It does not make your statements any more or less valid. In fact it performs the exact opposite of the function that you intended it to perform. It makes people think less of you. Which is why you don't see older generations of people doing it a whole lot, because they know better. Yet still I occasionally see people resort to this when backed into a corner. Now we can begin to debate the points that you raised. robreavis Wrote:There is no way in Hell a serious pc gaming would think that the A10 would be fine for a gaming rig. While it certainly isn't the best cpu for gaming it is adequate for nearly all PC games as PC games generally don't require very much cpu throughput. Luckily we have benchmarks to use to debate this topic: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6347/amd-a...p-part-2/6 You'll find similar results from other major benchmarking outlets when looking at trinity's cpu performance in games. This assumes of course that you have a graphics card. The IGP is too slow so I guess you could be referring to that. But realistically any gaming rig should have a graphics card and you should be comparing gaming cpus based on their cpu performance. Plus you mentioned the 3570K as a better contender and that has an even worse IGP so I doubt you are referring to the IGP. robreavis Wrote:These days a lot of people are building "cheap" htpc's to have in their living room and would like to play gc/wii games or even ps2. For your money, you cant go wrong with the A10. It depends. If you're on an extremely tight budget and you absolutely must have HD rendering then I would agree. However if one or neither of those is a constraint Intel offers better options. robreavis Wrote:All the games That I have played, there is not a whole lot of a difference between 2.5x and 4x. What resolution do you play at? For most resolutions this is true. 2.5x is 1600 x 1320 which for a 4:3 game is over 1080p and for a 16:9 game is almost 1080p. Then there is aliasing to consider, which is not as big of a deal on an HDTV but bothers many people on computer monitors. robreavis Wrote:I built a $400 machine for my living room that I can play wii/gc games that look better than they did on the wii. Perhaps. But the question we're really concerned with here is "how many of those games are going to run at fullspeed?". Since as I'm sure you'll agree it's frustrating to play games with slowdowns. robreavis Wrote:To run HD textures packs and stuff like that the A10 by itself wouldnt suffice, but other than that it's totally fine. I could be wrong but I doubt that using an HD texture pack would have a significant performance hit on your rig. robreavis Wrote:I never hardly boot up dolphin on my gaming rig. How come? If it has a graphics card it should be faster. robreavis Wrote:I can see you guys are not fond of me, so like I said before, you wont here from me any more. Somehow I doubt that. But if you do decide to go please at least add to our current ongoing cpu benchmark: http://forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-the...rk?page=17 It will help you prove your point(s) more definitively and help us acquire much needed data at the same time.
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(02-25-2013, 06:18 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Let me set things straight. On my HTPC we usually play with IR set to 2.5x, but the display resolution is 720p because my 50in samsung plasma is only 720p. Downsampling to 720p looks a whole let better than playing on the wii with this tv. Everything seems more crisp. It's not like everything runs "full speed" but it never slows down enough for it to get choppy. The reason I use this HTPC quite a bit for emulation is because I have 2 kids and a wife. We love to sit down in the living room and pick up 4 wireless 360 controllers and play Mario party (4-7, we don't like 8or9) and a bunch of other multiplayer games even ps2 games. My wife loves the Mario Galaxy games a whole lot. We spend a lot of time progressing through those titles collectively. (02-25-2013, 06:18 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: My gaming rig is on a desk hooked to a 23" 1600p monitor. It's main purpose is for WRPG's like Skyrim and The Witcher 2. My video card is a AMD Radeon 7870. My i5 3570k provides at least 20fps higher than what a competing AMD would. There are numerous benchmarks on the web that show this. I don't feel like playing gc/wii games while at the desk, not do I feel like swapping that pc between locations. That is why I built the HTPC. The sole purpose of it was to play NES all the way through wii in my living room with my family. As long as it render the game in HD and doesnt slow down enough to effect gameplay, the HTPC served it's purpose. (02-25-2013, 06:18 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Again i'm not arguing the fact that the A-10 performs as good as the i5, but to be able to build a pc for less than $400 and be able to handle 720p, you can't go wrong. Anyway I have explained everything exactly how I see it, so I can't really think of anything else. 02-26-2013, 12:23 AM
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I'm going to have to agree with NaturalViolence and admin89. They both made good arguments to everything that was said so far.
robreavis: We welcome you and we want you to be a part of the forum, but you can't run away at the first sign of conversation or assume that people don't like you just because they're responding to your comments with other ideas.
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(02-24-2013, 07:14 PM)robreavis Wrote: We never experienced any slowdown or hiccups. (02-26-2013, 12:08 AM)robreavis Wrote: It's not like everything runs "full speed" but it never slows down enough for it to get choppy. See the problem with that. Your first post suggests full speed all the time; your last only implies that you find it perfectly playable which I can believe. The first post flies in the face of all the data we currently have. In the WW benchmark thread we can see that my stock 1100t is on par with a A10 5800k and my 1100t can't play either of the SMG games with LLE full speed. However I would consider them, for the most part, playable though certainly not Ideal. 02-26-2013, 03:35 AM
(02-26-2013, 01:57 AM)Xalphenos Wrote:Sorry for the miscommunication. When I refer to slowdown or hiccups, I mean stuttering or chopiness. When I play games on dolphin, I never show my fps unless it gets choppy or stutters. Then I turn it on so I can adjust my settings to fix this. While playing most games, as long as the frames dont dip below 30, its not really noticeable. I was trying to stress that these games can be enjoyable with a budget $400 build that runs the games in a better resolution than the wii does. Also, in my opinion if you have it on 1x ir and you turn AA on, it looks way better than it does on the wii. It seems like the wii didnt support any AA what so ever.(02-24-2013, 07:14 PM)robreavis Wrote: We never experienced any slowdown or hiccups.(02-26-2013, 12:08 AM)robreavis Wrote: It's not like everything runs "full speed" but it never slows down enough for it to get choppy. |
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