slax65 Wrote:My hardware is around of the years 2009 - 2011 ..
While cpus are kind of expensive (if you want one of the new hasswells for example) I won't upgrade it, just because of Dolphin as the only programm needing so much power to run properly .. I don't play often anyway, just once or twice in a week .. I only need to overclock my cpu to around 3.8Ghz when I'm playing with friends and we are recording .. Besides Dolphin's emulation-speed is going up and down with time as you surely know and atm it has many new issues and things are still in work (ax hle) ect. .. There are always coming up minor/big changes which cause a huge speed up and unfortunately also a slowdown ..
My point was that if someone needs to OC to play SSBB (which does not require a lot from a computer's resources), then their hardware is very weak (and was probably weak when it was bought). If someone's hardware really is that weak, they're pretty much due for an upgrade if they want to use Dolphin at a decent, acceptable speed (not necessarily fullspeed though). For your case, if you bought a Haswell system now with a Core i5-4430 or a Core i5-4570, it'd be cheaper than any Nehalem based i7 system (at the time when they were available) and either i5 would run faster for Dolphin. It's quite possible to make smart upgrade choices that result in cheaper, faster hardware.
slax65 Wrote:You should ALWAYS warn them, that o'cking means possible damage to cpu and the whole system and there is no guarantee anymore
If people do choose to OC, they usually have to refer to a guide (online YouTube video, OC.net page, Googling), especially if they're "noobs". Most people who have no clue about OCing aren't going to be able to wander through the BIOS and successfully OC their machine. They'll need guides, so they'll find find guides. Any guide worth its salt will tell you that you have to watch your temps, your voltage, and your stability. Like LordVador said, it's the user's choice. We can warn them, but it's their responsibility to watch out for their hardware. That includes doing proper research, regardless if we warned them or not. At any rate, OCing is very safe nowadays if you know what you're doing. It isn't the dark art that it used to be. I've never OCed a computer in my life until I got my current build, and I haven't even come close to having an issue so far, despite knowing the bare minimums myself.
slax65 Wrote:I'm sorry to say it that harsh, but I'd be really pissed if I would mess up my cpu/my complete system (in the worst case) because I was advised by someone who thinks everybody automaticly has his/her knowledge and just for running a freeware that might be giving good results just for what it is and its branch (while there is no emulator as good as Dolphin) but still runs more crappy than good (atm!) ..
Again, it's up to users to do their homework. The onus is on them to make sure they have an idea about what needs to be done (checking temps, limiting voltage, running Prime95). If a user takes info online from anyone, even trusted veteran forum users like LordVador and me, they still need to do research (see if they can OC their system, check the guides, etc). If you take whatever anyone online says and does it without first knowing what you're doing exactly, that's the problem right there.
slax65 Wrote:And I also think it's not about suggesting this to people, if you really want to use Dolphin (it's made to be used, otherwise it'd be nonsense to work on it that much) you are forced to overclock your cpu if it's too slow, risking a shorter life, possible damages and loss of guarantee .. Somehow you could call that discrimination .. Further it's nonsense to advise people to upgrade the whole system just because of Dolphin, while no regular PC-user needs a cpu with 4Ghz+ and anytime there could come up, let's say, a "super revolution" that makes Dolphin super fast
We tell people they need OCed systems to play certain games because that's the truth. If you wanted to play The Last Story at fullspeed, we're not going to lie to you; we're going to tell you that you're going to get slowdowns or that an OCed system is needed to maintain constant fullspeed. We'll only stop telling users to OC their systems when such a "super revolution" comes along. Until then, we're only telling users what the reality is.
slax65 Wrote:And here you see, that people with slower cpus get along much better with the old revisions of the first generation of Dolphin .. They are fine for playing, maybe not for extras like state saving/loading, but for people who just want to play it's fine .. Why are they always being advised to use the latest versions, while they are the most demanting ones?? It's inconsistent ..
We advise using the latest because 1) they fix issues lots of issues, 2) they generally work a lot better for most users, (just look at all the threads where issues with 3.5-367 vanished when using the latest official builds) and 3) they're supported. r5XXX, r6XXX and others were written and compiled ages ago. While they may work fine or "good enough" for a handful of users, they don't work a lot of people or those that want "the best" or a better experience. That's why there have been so many bug-fixes and features implemented over the past few years, and that's why current builds are suitable for a large number of users.
slax65 Wrote:The only thing that could cause choppy audio would be new ax hle audio or lle audio while it requires full speed for smooth audio .. But this is only after r3.5-1124 ..
The first new-ax-hle merge was 3.5-78 and it only affects GC games that used the AX ucode. Builds from this revision onward needed to get fullspeed to avoid choppy audio for GC games with the AX ucode. Wii games still had asynchronous audio up until 3.5-1124. SSBM will still stutter on 3.5-1124 if Dolphin is not running fullspeed, SSBB won't however. You can try it real quick, just set the FPS to 30 or something.
@hafeez10 - There's probably nothing you can do to get perfect audio. Prior to 3.5-78, the music would drop on HLE audio, but starting from 3.5-78, if you can't run Dolphin fullspeed for SSBM, you will get choppy audio. When I played on 3.0-XXX and 3.5, I didn't get that many music drop outs (it was rare). The best solution may be to either use something like 3.5 (or 3.0 if you must) to see if that fixes your save state issue, but you'll have to deal with the music drop outs and the low speed.