Haswell i7-4770k performance previewed on Tom's Hardware

[AnyOldName3]

It doesn't need to 'not leapfrog' off other technologies, as you take the knowledge to create these technologies from the future.

Also, if Graphene gives no real world improvement, we don't need to tell anyone. If you go far enough into the future, you're eventually going to find something more powerful than what we have now. However, it should, at the very least, give a few degrees more headroom when overclocking.

[NaturalViolence]

This is going to be my last post on this subject since this discussion has gone from entertaining to tedious (at least from my perspective). And because we're now delving into things that I won't even pretend to fully understand. All I know is that for whatever reason you can't go from 65nm manufacturing straight to 32nm manufacturing because of the way the photolithographic technology leap frogs off of previous generations (particularly the lasers). I would imagine that these same rules and principles would still apply if you returned from the future with some great knowledge. In other words you would still need to slowly "build up" the tech. from current generation equipment. As far as graphene is concerned heat isn't everything. There are many factors that make something a good semiconductor for ICs. If for example graphene transistors had a higher switching threshold, high power leakage, or slower switching speed this would make them an inferior candidate despite being able to tolerate higher temperatures. There are a hundred things that might go wrong for all we know. I remain skeptical when trying to speculate about something this far into the future that we know so little about. When all of the necessary research is done we will have a better picture about whether it is an appropriate replacement or not.

[ExtremeDude2]

First Look at Intel's Haswell Processor Pricing

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/first_look_intels_haswell_processor_pricing2013

[NaturalViolence]

*Prays that steamroller isn't a load of horseshit like every AMD architecture over the last 7 years.

Come on AMD you can do it! We believe in you! Ok....well not really....but we can pretend we believe in you.

[admin89]

If AMD did not give up , Haswell Pricing would be more competitive (Probably...)
I still have hope for laptop market (the only one i care about)

[carroacelera]

(03-26-2013, 10:18 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: [...] Ok....well not really....but we can pretend we believe in you.

LOL

[NaturalViolence]

While I do like it when people acknowledge my jokes "LOL" is hardly a worthy comment of a forum thread. This isn't a chatroom.

admin89 Wrote:If AMD did not give up , Haswell Pricing would be more competitive (Probably...)

They didn't give up they're just not as good at what they do. They're still trying....and failing.

[admin89]

Mike Silverman, AMD company spokesman said, "We're at an inflection point. We will all need to let go of the old 'AMD versus Intel' mind-set, because it won't be about that anymore."
Basically , AMD gave up competing Intel on high-end desktop CPU . They want to focus on mobile APU (although their mobile APU - CPU performance is pretty bad , only the iGPU is really impressive)

[NaturalViolence]

admin89 Wrote:Mike Silverman, AMD company spokesman said, "We're at an inflection point. We will all need to let go of the old 'AMD versus Intel' mind-set, because it won't be about that anymore."

Yes I remember this. It's retarded PR fluff like everything AMD says to the public. They know that the only worthwhile tech they have that could actually turn things around for them is HSA. So naturally they're going to try and find a way to dismiss everything else as unimportant. If they "let go of the old AMD versus Intel mindset" that is the equivalent of saying "we're not going to make any products anymore, we're going to lie down and wait until we die". They're in a war with Intel whether they like it or not. Intel is the only other major manufacturer or x86 cpus.

I mean I've seen AMD doing this for years and I know that big companies in general tend to do this since so much of their success relies on their public image but this new CEO (Rory Reed, former Lenovo COO) has now have taken things to a whole new level. He says nothing except carefully planned PR fluff. He can write announcements that are thousands of words long and yet don't communicate a thing. It's kind of impressive actually how well he has mastered the art of corporate smoke and mirrors tactics. And unfortunately it seems to have "trickled down" to the rest of the management. Everything is fine and dandy as far as he is concerned. They will never admit to anything that could make the project managers or executives look bad in any way. And so they will continue driving the bus down the same road even if the bus keeps getting hit by avalanches and breaking down. Anyone who speaks out of line is quickly reprimanded and so soon they'll all be drinking the cool aid. Part of me fears for the company now that the upper management is stacked with so many people that got there through corporate politics and who don't understand the semiconductor industry at all. On the other hand the shareholders are taking more control now and the result is they may actually start meeting deadlines from now on (which is one of the things that got them into this situation in the first place) and be forced to at least explain their consumer oriented projects before investing tons of money into them. With all of this radical change things are either going to get much better or much worse for AMD very soon. We'll know within 2-3 years.

[dEnigma]

(03-26-2013, 12:00 PM)NaturalViolence Wrote: While I do like it when people acknowledge my jokes "LOL" is hardly a worthy comment of a forum thread. This isn't a chatroom.