@kirbypuff
Holy pentaposting batman! Please use one post next time. You can edit in new sections as you go if you don't want to write it all at once.
Oh yes I do. If you think otherwise please go back and reread my post. Pay careful attention to the wording.
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You're really agreeing with me whether you realize it or not. I repeatedly stated that I don't disagree with you on this.
As I said earlier:
You don't measure black levels in a well lit room for that very reason. If you have any ambient lighting at all your black level is not going to be zero on any display since there will be some reflected light. So yes CRTs do have a black level of 0 and do display a true black unlike LCDs. You originally stated otherwise. Now you could maybe argue that this is a technicality that is not applicable to the real world but the statements are still true none the less.
*In a well lit environment
Technically all blacks are relative blacks in this situation due to glare and diffusion.
All consumer displays have fairly water resistant cases for this reason. Unless you plan on blasting yours with steam every 30 minutes this is a non issue.
True to some degree but they are making drastic improvements to this every year. Within a few years it will be a non issue too.
And inorganic LEDs have this same problem. Blue LEDs fade in brightness faster than red and green. I have directly observed that the effect is noticeable after a few years in my aquarium LED lights.
They also can't produce the pixel density we've come to expect from PC monitors with current implementations. Among other issues.
The cost was really what killed laservue. Unfortunately "cheap", "small", and "laser array" don't really go together in this context so we'll have to wait and see. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
Well since he does that's why I recommended it. My panel is also a TN with low response times.
It's not a huge problem otherwise LCDs would never have become the defacto standard. It's a minor problem at best. Why would you ever be operating an LCD in these conditions? Does your house regularly reach near subzero or boiling temperatures?
My point still stands. $10,000+ LCDs still have inferior measured contrast ratios to average CRTs. If you are watching movies with the lights off or dimmed (which you should be even if you're using an LCD) this is a problem that if solved could drastically benefit consumers in that situation.
Like I said I'm an LCD man but even I have to admit LCDs still have a ways to go in this area.
As far as my NAS issue goes I tried some more things including 32 bit ubuntu and ubuntu 15 beta. I eventually gave up and just returned the motherboard. It might be a board issue since some other users with the same board confirmed that they were able to install ubuntu on it without any issues with the video kernel. I have never in my life had to return hardware before and I still believe that it's probably not a hardware defect. But even after asking around some linux kernel boards/irc channels nobody has any ideas on what might be causing it. I'm going to try AMDs vastly inferior kabini platform next. It seems asrock is the only manufacturer making boards with DC power input. And also the only manufacturer making embedded boards with mini-pcie slots. So board choice is basically non-existent in this niche segment.....
Holy pentaposting batman! Please use one post next time. You can edit in new sections as you go if you don't want to write it all at once.
kirbypuff Wrote:You still don't get it.
Oh yes I do. If you think otherwise please go back and reread my post. Pay careful attention to the wording.
kirbypuff Wrote:In a well-lit room, the screen is NOT black.
Ding ding ding ding! We have a winrar!
You're really agreeing with me whether you realize it or not. I repeatedly stated that I don't disagree with you on this.
As I said earlier:
NaturalViolence Wrote:Black level measurements are always taken with the lights turned off to achieve a controlled environment since ambient lighting is something that is controlled by the user and varies.
You don't measure black levels in a well lit room for that very reason. If you have any ambient lighting at all your black level is not going to be zero on any display since there will be some reflected light. So yes CRTs do have a black level of 0 and do display a true black unlike LCDs. You originally stated otherwise. Now you could maybe argue that this is a technicality that is not applicable to the real world but the statements are still true none the less.
kirbypuff Wrote:So, even with an infinite contrast / zero black level, the CRT cannot display a *true* black.
*In a well lit environment
kirbypuff Wrote:With an LCD / (O)LED display, black is "absolute black" instead of "relative black".
Technically all blacks are relative blacks in this situation due to glare and diffusion.
kirbypuff Wrote:Organic LEDs suck. They're extremely sensitive to humidity / moisture / steam / water
All consumer displays have fairly water resistant cases for this reason. Unless you plan on blasting yours with steam every 30 minutes this is a non issue.
kirbypuff Wrote:and the RGB components have a short / uneven lifespan.
True to some degree but they are making drastic improvements to this every year. Within a few years it will be a non issue too.
And inorganic LEDs have this same problem. Blue LEDs fade in brightness faster than red and green. I have directly observed that the effect is noticeable after a few years in my aquarium LED lights.
kirbypuff Wrote:Inorganic LEDs are durable / have a longer life and are water-resistant.
They also can't produce the pixel density we've come to expect from PC monitors with current implementations. Among other issues.
kirbypuff Wrote:Because they're super-expensive and bulky (take a lot of space).
A new technology is needed to produce slim and relatively cheap displays based on laser tech.
The cost was really what killed laservue. Unfortunately "cheap", "small", and "laser array" don't really go together in this context so we'll have to wait and see. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
kirbypuff Wrote:It depends on the panel. If it's a TN panel with a decent response time, you can turn it off.
Well since he does that's why I recommended it. My panel is also a TN with low response times.
kirbypuff Wrote:I don't like LCD tech., since it's based on materials in a *liquid* state. This means you cannot use an LCD display when the ambient temperature is below 12*C (or above 33 *C).
When the ambient temperatue drops to +10*C or below, you will experience MASSIVE ghosting / pixel lag (as the LCs become more dense and lazy at lower temperatures). At +5*C ambient temp, the blur is EXTREME.
This is a HUGE problem with LCD displays. There's no such issue with CRTs.
It's not a huge problem otherwise LCDs would never have become the defacto standard. It's a minor problem at best. Why would you ever be operating an LCD in these conditions? Does your house regularly reach near subzero or boiling temperatures?
kirbypuff Wrote:They're surprisingly close.
The latest generation of VA panels used in HDTVs have a static contrast ratio of over 6,000:1 (real measured value, not "on paper").
Modern VA panels have improved a lot with wide viewing angles, doubled contrast ratio and pixel response times cut in half.
A typical CRT has ~15,000:1.
My point still stands. $10,000+ LCDs still have inferior measured contrast ratios to average CRTs. If you are watching movies with the lights off or dimmed (which you should be even if you're using an LCD) this is a problem that if solved could drastically benefit consumers in that situation.
Like I said I'm an LCD man but even I have to admit LCDs still have a ways to go in this area.
As far as my NAS issue goes I tried some more things including 32 bit ubuntu and ubuntu 15 beta. I eventually gave up and just returned the motherboard. It might be a board issue since some other users with the same board confirmed that they were able to install ubuntu on it without any issues with the video kernel. I have never in my life had to return hardware before and I still believe that it's probably not a hardware defect. But even after asking around some linux kernel boards/irc channels nobody has any ideas on what might be causing it. I'm going to try AMDs vastly inferior kabini platform next. It seems asrock is the only manufacturer making boards with DC power input. And also the only manufacturer making embedded boards with mini-pcie slots. So board choice is basically non-existent in this niche segment.....
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