Hardware Discussion Thread

[Xtreme2damax]

(11-19-2013, 10:36 AM)AnyOldName3 Wrote: As for Haswell's performance, if it helps I can play the first two (and maybe more) galaxies of SMG1 at fullspeed without an overclock on my 4670K.

Is that with LLE audio?

[AnyOldName3]

Yes, it is.

[Anti-Ultimate]

Haswell temps are horrible though, so i heard. Is it worth waiting for Broadwell in 2014 or should i just fix my airflow already so I can try to get one of these in christmas? (Maybe even with a H100i cooler)

[NaturalViolence]

That doesn't make any sense. What problem are you trying to solve? What are you afraid will go wrong? Are you having overheating issues at stock with your cpu?

Haswell reaches about the same temps as ivy at stock. When overclocked it caps out at the same temperature as sandy/ivy bridge. The only difference is that it hits that temperature at a lower clock rate. But that doesn't matter because the IPC is so much higher that it will still outperform its predecessors even at a lower clock rate.

And if your profile is correct your current cpu should run much hotter at the same clock rate.

[Anti-Ultimate]

(11-20-2013, 10:20 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: That doesn't make any sense. What problem are you trying to solve? What are you afraid will go wrong? Are you having overheating issues at stock with your cpu?

Haswell reaches about the same temps as ivy at stock. When overclocked it caps out at the same temperature as sandy/ivy bridge. The only difference is that it hits that temperature at a lower clock rate. But that doesn't matter because the IPC is so much higher that it will still outperform its predecessors even at a lower clock rate.

And if your profile is correct your current cpu should run much hotter at the same clock rate.

I really doubt that. My i7 930 has the IHS soldered onto the cpu unlike the haswell cpu, which uses shitty thermal paste between the ihs and the die. In theory, it should run cooler, but because of this, it won't.

Also, I said shitty airflow because now my GPU is blowing hot air into the case instead of out of the case. Then, my CPU takes in that hot air (push/pull config). I don't really want all the top fans to be working all the time (especially since the pc becomes really noisy). I guess I'll just get a Corsair h100i on Christmas but I'll certainly wait until Broadwell arrives to figure out if Intel didn't solder the IHS on the CPU again or not.

[ExtremeDude2]

(11-20-2013, 11:33 PM)Anti-Ultimate Wrote: I really doubt that. My i7 930 has the IHS soldered onto the cpu unlike the haswell cpu, which uses shitty thermal paste between the ihs and the die. In theory, it should run cooler, but because of this, it won't.

Yeah, but it also has a far lower TDP >.>

[Anti-Ultimate]

I know.

[eclipsezeromh]

Heya, am going to (finally) build a desktop, previous plans all fell apart but should be able to now since I am going to be in the US for about 20 days(Black Friday~).

First question, still confused as to how Black Friday works, do the deals apply when ordering parts online as well? If yes, should I expect any luck in getting *all* parts during the day itself, as in, managing to order them while there's a deal ongoing, or would it be better to order them beforehand instead of waiting for BF prices? Asking since I will only be there till Dec 12-13, and if there end up being shortages I won't be there when they do eventually send it V:

Second question, after all the new stuff that has come out, new GTX 700 series/new AMD's/Haswell etc. etc. i have NO clue what parts to get anymore.
I don't know if it's allowed, but could I get some part recommendations here?

Spoiler: (Show Spoiler)

My requirements:
1.Will game at max 1080p and not more. Will not use Anti-Alias or Anistropic Filtering in almost all cases, also may never use Depth of Field effects. Also willing to lower shadows in games, AFAIK those are intensive most of the time.

2.Need the system to last *at least* 5 years, and I mean only being able to play games till then, not maxing all of them, that would be impossible >3>;

3. Will obviously be emulating Wii games(Last Story and Xenoblade, Skyward Sword if it's at all possible without a controller) and PS2 games.
Other than that will play -
Witcher 2/3
Thief
Watch Dogs
Skyrim with some sort of ENB, or just SweetFX probably.
X Rebirth(Once patched to hell and back~)
And various other games, but these were the most graphically intensive ones I could think of.

4. Good. Cooling. And I don't know if such a thing exists, but some way to keep dust out or make it easier to remove IDK(case wise of course).
Keep thinking of this cooler but it's gigantic AFAIK and I would most likely need a full tower case which would...make it just a little bit harder to get back to where I am currently ahahaha >>;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018&Tpk=noctua%20dh-14

Will also need to get something that allows wireless as it may not be possible to connect my desktop to the internet directly via a cable.
May also get a Xonar DGX(IIRC that's the name).

And hopefully if possible, price shouldn't exceed $1200. Black friday should help there, I think >3>;

[NaturalViolence]

Anti-Ultimate Wrote:I really doubt that. My i7 930 has the IHS soldered onto the cpu unlike the haswell cpu, which uses shitty thermal paste between the ihs and the die.

You have no reason to believe this will outweigh the massively lower TDP. Tests have shown the TIM to make only a few degrees difference.

Anti-Ultimate Wrote:In theory, it should run cooler, but because of this, it won't.

Proof?

There is just no way in hell that will outweigh the massively lower TDP. Haswell at stock speeds runs at similar temps despite having a much higher clock rate. Now imagine how it would do at the same clock rates.

Anti-Ultimate Wrote:but I'll certainly wait until Broadwell arrives to figure out if Intel didn't solder the IHS on the CPU again or not.

It's not going to happen. All non enthusiast (E series) Intel cpus from here on out will use TIM. As the TDP drops even lower there will be even less of a reason to use fluxless solder. Your fear of this is extremely irrational. Many people have already upgraded to these news cpus and have had no issues overclocking them to the same clock rates as nehalem on the same cooling units. What you're essentially telling me is "I won't upgrade no matter how much better it is if it uses fluxless solder. Fluxless solder is all I care about, not the end result." which is just stubborn.

[Anti-Ultimate]

(11-21-2013, 08:29 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote:

Anti-Ultimate Wrote:I really doubt that. My i7 930 has the IHS soldered onto the cpu unlike the haswell cpu, which uses shitty thermal paste between the ihs and the die.

You have no reason to believe this will outweigh the massively lower TDP. Tests have shown the TIM to make only a few degrees difference.

Anti-Ultimate Wrote:In theory, it should run cooler, but because of this, it won't.

Proof?

There is just no way in hell that will outweigh the massively lower TDP. Haswell at stock speeds runs at similar temps despite having a much higher clock rate. Now imagine how it would do at the same clock rates.

Anti-Ultimate Wrote:but I'll certainly wait until Broadwell arrives to figure out if Intel didn't solder the IHS on the CPU again or not.

It's not going to happen. All non enthusiast (E series) Intel cpus from here on out will use TIM. As the TDP drops even lower there will be even less of a reason to use fluxless solder. Your fear of this is extremely irrational. Many people have already upgraded to these news cpus and have had no issues overclocking them to the same clock rates as nehalem on the same cooling units. What you're essentially telling me is "I won't upgrade no matter how much better it is if it uses fluxless solder. Fluxless solder is all I care about, not the end result." which is just stubborn.

Then tell me why people delid those cpu's then if they run that cool anyways. There is several proof all over the internet, just google.