Dear Dolphin community,
I would like to discuss the best solution to the following problem:
Gamecube Interactive Demo Discs.
I don't want to create confusion of the upcoming one billion edits that have to be done in order to (partly) resolve the big, complicated and messy topic the Demo Discs are. Kolano cleaned the Gamecube Wiki page up and I don't want to be the guy how a) makes it dirty again and b) decides the following without the community.
I did a lot of research and will list sources during this post. Feel free to correct me or do some research yourself.
I would like to add that I searched through the contents of every disc I own (all US, all EU, on AU, 2 JP I will come to later)
First:
A list of Discs (Format: US | EU | AU), not Japan I will explain why. This list is correct according to http://redump.org/discs/system/gc/?page=2:
I will talk about differences to the wiki under this list.
"Interactive Multi Game Demo Disc" gets replaced with: ~
Name [GameID]
01| ~: October 2001 [G99E01] | ~: March 2002 [G99P01] | no AU
02| ~: January 2002 [G98E01] | ~: May 2002 [G98P01] | no AU
03| ~: March 2002 [G97E01] | ~: September 2002 [G97P01] | ~: September 2002 [G97U01]
04| ~: June 2002 [G96E01] | ~: November 2002 [G96P01] | no AU
05| ~: July 2002 [G95E01] | ~: December 2002 [G95P01] | no AU
06| ~: August 2002 [G94E01] | ~: February 2003 [G94P01] | no AU
07| ~: v7 [D93E01] | ~: April 2003 [D93P01] | ~: April 2003 [D95U01]
08| ~: v8 [D92E01] | ~: June 2003 [D92P01] | no AU
09| ~: v9 [D89E01] | ~: September 2003 [D89P01] | no AU
10| ~: v10 [D88E01] | ~: November 2003 [D88P01] | ~: November 2003 [D93U01]
11| ~: v11 [D86E01] | ~: March 2004 [D87P01] | no AU
12| ~: v12 [D85E01] | ~: May 2004 [D86P01] | no AU
13| ~: v13 [D84E01] | ~: July 2004 [D85P01] | no AU
14| ~: v14 [D83E01] | ~: November 2004 [D84P01] | no AU
15| ~: v15 [D82E01] | ~: February 2005 [D83P01] | ~: February 2005 [D87U01]
16| ~: v16 [D79E01] | ~: April 2005 [D82P01] | no AU
17| ~: v17 [D78E01] | ~: May 2005 [D79P01] | no AU
18| ~: v18 [D77E01] | ~: October 2005 [D78P01] | no AU
19| ~: v19 [D76E01] | ~: April 2006 [D77P01] | no AU
20| ~: v20 [D75E01] | no EU | no AU
21| ~: v21 [D74E01] | no EU | no AU
22| ~: v22 [D73E01] | no EU | no AU
23| ~: v23 [D72E01] | no EU | no AU
24| ~: v24 [D69E01] | no EU | no AU
25| ~: v25 [D68E01] | no EU | no AU
26| ~: v26 [D67E01] | no EU | no AU
27| ~: v27 [D66E01] | no EU | no AU
28| ~: v28 [D65E01] | no EU | no AU
29| ~: v29 [D64E01] | no EU | no AU
30| ~: v30 [D63E01] | no EU | no AU
31| ~: v31 [D62E01] | no EU | no AU
32| ~: v32 [D59E01] | no EU | no AU
33| ~: v33 [D58E01] | no EU | no AU
34| ~: v34 [D57E01] | no EU | no AU
35| ~: v35 [D56E01] | no EU | no AU
Second:
Differences to the wiki: I would like to hear your opinion.
1. There are no Demo Disc versions with the names [~] v1 to [~] v6, so the names in the wiki should be changed to [~] October 2001 [...] [~] August 2002. (In my opinion. This is in reference to the US version since the EU and AU versions are not included in the wiki) (source redump.org link above the list.) (Interactive Multi Game Demo Disc v2 Wiki even shows a picture of the disc with the written text)
2. There was no Nintendo GameCube Preview Disc in Europe so D87P01 should be removed from this wiki page. (http://redump.org/discs/system/gc/?page=3 and https://segaretro.org/Nintendo_GameCube_Preview_Disc). This messes up the Ids as you can see in my list. The 13th US disc has D8[color=#ff3333]4[/color]E01 while the EU disc has D8[color=#ff3333]5[/color]P01 and so on. Another thing is that the banners for the European versions have Numbers on them which don't align anymore after disc 10. BUT this won't be a problem when we:
3. Separate the regions (and GameIDs) (but "v1" an "v2" since their contents are pretty much the same):
The Versions "v3" to v19 and their European counterparts are vastly different, so the problems and their respective ratings don't apply. The currently given ratings are for the US version, not the EU. I would like to add the contents of the US and EU versions to the wiki pages since I already documented them on paper :O. I don't own the AU versions, but since there name and date matchup with their European counterparts, it's likely that they have the same content. Please message me if somebody has a list of contents for the AU versions.
The same applies to the "Club Nintendo Original e-Catalog 2004" since its contents are really different from the US and (EU/AU).
All these IDs redirect mistakenly to the US versions. (You, unfortunately, have to take my word on that one :-( )
Third:
Japanese versions. I don't have them... not much is known about them, nor there contents. Some known with IDs: http://redump.org/discs/system/gc/?page=2http://redump.org[...] Search for Gekkan Nintendo [...]. Some are missing from redump.org: http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=N...ia_Missing. I would redirect them to the US side, because I can't come up with a better solution.
by the way: some AU IDs are missing right now (those are in the list above).
At last: I would like to do apply all of those changes, test and rate all of those discs (I own), but not if you disagree. Thank you for your paitions and for making it this far.
Your Kimishima.
I would like to discuss the best solution to the following problem:
Gamecube Interactive Demo Discs.
I don't want to create confusion of the upcoming one billion edits that have to be done in order to (partly) resolve the big, complicated and messy topic the Demo Discs are. Kolano cleaned the Gamecube Wiki page up and I don't want to be the guy how a) makes it dirty again and b) decides the following without the community.
I did a lot of research and will list sources during this post. Feel free to correct me or do some research yourself.
I would like to add that I searched through the contents of every disc I own (all US, all EU, on AU, 2 JP I will come to later)
First:
A list of Discs (Format: US | EU | AU), not Japan I will explain why. This list is correct according to http://redump.org/discs/system/gc/?page=2:
I will talk about differences to the wiki under this list.
"Interactive Multi Game Demo Disc" gets replaced with: ~
Name [GameID]
01| ~: October 2001 [G99E01] | ~: March 2002 [G99P01] | no AU
02| ~: January 2002 [G98E01] | ~: May 2002 [G98P01] | no AU
03| ~: March 2002 [G97E01] | ~: September 2002 [G97P01] | ~: September 2002 [G97U01]
04| ~: June 2002 [G96E01] | ~: November 2002 [G96P01] | no AU
05| ~: July 2002 [G95E01] | ~: December 2002 [G95P01] | no AU
06| ~: August 2002 [G94E01] | ~: February 2003 [G94P01] | no AU
07| ~: v7 [D93E01] | ~: April 2003 [D93P01] | ~: April 2003 [D95U01]
08| ~: v8 [D92E01] | ~: June 2003 [D92P01] | no AU
09| ~: v9 [D89E01] | ~: September 2003 [D89P01] | no AU
10| ~: v10 [D88E01] | ~: November 2003 [D88P01] | ~: November 2003 [D93U01]
11| ~: v11 [D86E01] | ~: March 2004 [D87P01] | no AU
12| ~: v12 [D85E01] | ~: May 2004 [D86P01] | no AU
13| ~: v13 [D84E01] | ~: July 2004 [D85P01] | no AU
14| ~: v14 [D83E01] | ~: November 2004 [D84P01] | no AU
15| ~: v15 [D82E01] | ~: February 2005 [D83P01] | ~: February 2005 [D87U01]
16| ~: v16 [D79E01] | ~: April 2005 [D82P01] | no AU
17| ~: v17 [D78E01] | ~: May 2005 [D79P01] | no AU
18| ~: v18 [D77E01] | ~: October 2005 [D78P01] | no AU
19| ~: v19 [D76E01] | ~: April 2006 [D77P01] | no AU
20| ~: v20 [D75E01] | no EU | no AU
21| ~: v21 [D74E01] | no EU | no AU
22| ~: v22 [D73E01] | no EU | no AU
23| ~: v23 [D72E01] | no EU | no AU
24| ~: v24 [D69E01] | no EU | no AU
25| ~: v25 [D68E01] | no EU | no AU
26| ~: v26 [D67E01] | no EU | no AU
27| ~: v27 [D66E01] | no EU | no AU
28| ~: v28 [D65E01] | no EU | no AU
29| ~: v29 [D64E01] | no EU | no AU
30| ~: v30 [D63E01] | no EU | no AU
31| ~: v31 [D62E01] | no EU | no AU
32| ~: v32 [D59E01] | no EU | no AU
33| ~: v33 [D58E01] | no EU | no AU
34| ~: v34 [D57E01] | no EU | no AU
35| ~: v35 [D56E01] | no EU | no AU
Second:
Differences to the wiki: I would like to hear your opinion.
1. There are no Demo Disc versions with the names [~] v1 to [~] v6, so the names in the wiki should be changed to [~] October 2001 [...] [~] August 2002. (In my opinion. This is in reference to the US version since the EU and AU versions are not included in the wiki) (source redump.org link above the list.) (Interactive Multi Game Demo Disc v2 Wiki even shows a picture of the disc with the written text)
2. There was no Nintendo GameCube Preview Disc in Europe so D87P01 should be removed from this wiki page. (http://redump.org/discs/system/gc/?page=3 and https://segaretro.org/Nintendo_GameCube_Preview_Disc). This messes up the Ids as you can see in my list. The 13th US disc has D8[color=#ff3333]4[/color]E01 while the EU disc has D8[color=#ff3333]5[/color]P01 and so on. Another thing is that the banners for the European versions have Numbers on them which don't align anymore after disc 10. BUT this won't be a problem when we:
3. Separate the regions (and GameIDs) (but "v1" an "v2" since their contents are pretty much the same):
The Versions "v3" to v19 and their European counterparts are vastly different, so the problems and their respective ratings don't apply. The currently given ratings are for the US version, not the EU. I would like to add the contents of the US and EU versions to the wiki pages since I already documented them on paper :O. I don't own the AU versions, but since there name and date matchup with their European counterparts, it's likely that they have the same content. Please message me if somebody has a list of contents for the AU versions.
The same applies to the "Club Nintendo Original e-Catalog 2004" since its contents are really different from the US and (EU/AU).
All these IDs redirect mistakenly to the US versions. (You, unfortunately, have to take my word on that one :-( )
Third:
Japanese versions. I don't have them... not much is known about them, nor there contents. Some known with IDs: http://redump.org/discs/system/gc/?page=2http://redump.org[...] Search for Gekkan Nintendo [...]. Some are missing from redump.org: http://wiki.redump.org/index.php?title=N...ia_Missing. I would redirect them to the US side, because I can't come up with a better solution.
by the way: some AU IDs are missing right now (those are in the list above).
At last: I would like to do apply all of those changes, test and rate all of those discs (I own), but not if you disagree. Thank you for your paitions and for making it this far.
Your Kimishima.