Dolphin-emu.com vs shall not be named: why are there two?

**Apostacious** · (This post was last modified: 04-23-2010, 05:28 AM by Apostacious.)

(04-20-2010, 08:36 AM)ExtremeYoshiFan Wrote:
(03-15-2010, 01:53 PM)Apostacious Wrote: I personally don't like other people hijacking the dolphin name and creating alternate places for people to get their information from, this is the home of dolphin and it should stay that way.

That technically isn't what he does, He donates time, money, and possibly bandwidth to just so he can compile the nightly builds for us to use to get us a good, reliable source of obtaining this emulator's newest version, He is running a free service that this site doesn't provide, I feel he has every right to run this service, and I feel you should too, believe me, I know the hassle of running a website, It isn't fun at all(at least not until you get a result), he went through all this effort to give us an easier way to get the program, without needing to compile yourself(which takes awhile on some machines).

I don't think you understood what i said nor the core issue.

i also lol'd at you explaining me how things work around here.

**Xtreme2damax** · (This post was last modified: 04-27-2010, 12:08 PM by Xtreme2damax.)

I think Dolphin should drop support for SVN builds and only support the latest stable builds as most if not all open source projects do. There is an inherent issue supporting alpha or beta code, not to mention beta code isn't meant for the end user as it can usually be buggy and unstable compared to stable code which is usually associated with official builds. Everyone has grown far to accustomed to receiving support for non-official builds that this will be an expectation from them for nearly every open-source project, it is also damaging to the integrity of this project and any other project.

This would also reduce the amount of and might I add confusing (to developers) complaints concerning issues regarding beta SVN code.

It was a good run while it lasted, but it has grown out of control now. Now that there is an official (Stable) build out that is using more recent code and has numerous enhancements over the old official betas, I see little need to allow SVN discussion to continue running rampant around the forum.

Despite any good intentions mamario may have, I'd have to state that dolphin-emulator site is quite misleading to new users of Dolphin, new users are going to automatically assume that is the official website and is where they have to go for support instead of this forum. To be honest if I was new, I'd probably mistake it for the official site and this is only one example why allowing SVN discussions to run rampant is a bad idea.

I say let users continue to compile and upload builds in their own time on the side, just not allow these unofficial builds to be openly advertised or supported on this forum. If anyone needs support for unofficial builds, obtain it elsewhere from the person providing the builds.

RipJack · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2010, 10:57 AM by RipJack.)

Well am happy to know that the site from mamario is legit, I didn't check it out yet cause I found it odd that someone without mod status and not even a 100 Posts was saying it was the New Forum.
Sorry If I sound paranoid but can't be to careful on the internet when it comes to links. Plus am rather new here as well

Edit:
@Xtreme2damax

Why don't the Mods/Admins make a section called "Unofficial Builds" where they can go and be separate from the rest and support for them could be handled there and separated from the rest of the,

**Xtreme2damax** · (This post was last modified: 05-06-2010, 11:40 AM by Xtreme2damax.)

The point is all SVN discussion should be abolished from the main forums, let the members providing builds provide support elsewhere. You don't see SVN discussions being allowed on the PCSX2 forums, Ngemu, other official forums for emulation projects so why should it be any different here?

Most open source projects don't provide support for beta/unofficial builds, beta code is intended for actual testers who know what they are doing, testers that can actually debug the code and fix issues, not the end user. There is a very good reason behind this, I don't feel like explaining it right now and someone else might be able to explain better than I can.

blakegriplingph · 05-06-2010, 12:48 PM **#25**

As for the Wiki, it sure looks promising, so I decided to contribute to mamario's site, even though it seems redundant as there's already info about playable/borked games here in the forums.

05-06-2010, 01:21 PM **#26**

(05-06-2010, 10:54 AM)RipJack Wrote: Well am happy to know that the site from mamario is legit

well it's not official (from the dolphin creators) but it is acceptable Tongue

RipJack · 05-06-2010, 01:23 PM **#27**

Ya that's what I meant, Didn't want to get nabbed by some Mal ware site or something

schez · 05-06-2010, 10:06 PM **#28**

Acceptable? imo mamarios sites is way more pragmatic structured than the former dolphin site..., and its up2date - serving all you need. If it's just acceptable than what is the former site... Tongue

DarzgL · 05-07-2010, 12:42 AM **#29**

(05-06-2010, 10:06 PM)schez Wrote: Acceptable? imo mamarios sites is way more pragmatic structured than the former dolphin site..., and its up2date - serving all you need. If it's just acceptable than what is the former site...

I think you don't catch the matter. I really don't see why the actual Dolphin main devs (I mean Ector and the others) would have to make a build of EVERY SVN revision. In the case you'd not have seen it, there are several little revisions a day, but despite the revision author's willing of improve Dolphin, his or her revision's stability hasn't been proven, and many times such revisions break a game or two, despite the author's good intentions. While SVN revs come out, main devs still work on the next official release of Dolphin, and they're likely to use the SVN for this release, BUT they'll fully test it before the release and will select the best of it.
So basically, Dolphin beginners should NOT use any SVN build and should download the stable 2.0 version. Then, if they wanna test very new features, they'll feel free to try a SVN build. So IMO, mamario should really warn people about the SVN builds eventual unstability; the 2.0 should be more highlighted.

schez · 05-07-2010, 02:48 AM **#30**

(05-07-2010, 12:42 AM)DarzgL Wrote:
(05-06-2010, 10:06 PM)schez Wrote: Acceptable? imo mamarios sites is way more pragmatic structured than the former dolphin site..., and its up2date - serving all you need. If it's just acceptable than what is the former site...

I think you don't catch the matter. I really don't see why the actual Dolphin main devs (I mean Ector and the others) would have to make a build of EVERY SVN revision. In the case you'd not have seen it, there are several little revisions a day, but despite the revision author's willing of improve Dolphin, his or her revision's stability hasn't been proven, and many times such revisions break a game or two, despite the author's good intentions. While SVN revs come out, main devs still work on the next official release of Dolphin, and they're likely to use the SVN for this release, BUT they'll fully test it before the release and will select the best of it.
So basically, Dolphin beginners should NOT use any SVN build and should download the stable 2.0 version. Then, if they wanna test very new features, they'll feel free to try a SVN build. So IMO, mamario should really warn people about the SVN builds eventual unstability; the 2.0 should be more highlighted.

It's about the whole package, not about just offering inofficial builds or not. The main site has been rotten around for a long time now, no maintenance at all, it's practically DEAD. That was my whole point. No offense, but the entire main site is totally useless except the forum, which is a good resource for all of us.