A question for Core i7 owners.

[Xtreme2damax]

Then why even have those as options in Dolphin if they cause such huge drops even on the most powerful of hardware? :/

[NaturalViolence]

Quote:Then why even have those as options in Dolphin if they cause such huge drops even on the most powerful of hardware? :/

Because we can? Getting rid of an option just because it causes bad performance is just plain stupid since people don't HAVE to use it.

[Bigsteve3570]

(09-12-2010, 12:19 AM)Xtreme2damax Wrote: Then why even have those as options in Dolphin if they cause such huge drops even on the most powerful of hardware? :/

Simple, not all games need any of those options enabled at the same time. Most games only need 1 of those options (some not even any need to be enabled).

Taking away any of those options would cause a lot of problems in games that need one of them.

If you set everything up right; no game should give you a problem whatsoever whilst looking and running perfectly (then again, I don't know how a 460 gtx 1 gb performs in dolphin).

[NaturalViolence]

Quote:Taking away any of those options would cause a lot of problems in games that need one of them.

EFB scale and AA are used for improving image quality. They have nothing to do with resolving problems. Any game will run with the same problems with or without them being enabled.

Quote:If you set everything up right; no game should give you a problem whatsoever whilst looking and running perfectly (then again, I don't know how a 460 gtx 1 gb performs in dolphin).

I'm going to take a leap here and assume you haven't played a whole lot of games on dolphin. The vast majority of GC/Wii games do not run perfectly and give great performance even with the right settings. Some may do one or the other but few games do both (although the games that run perfectly tend to be the more popular titles since they get more focus from the users and devs can't fix a problem unless a user tells them about it). Keep in mind I'm using the word perfect, not playable (since most games are playable but still have issues).

[Xtreme2damax]

(09-12-2010, 05:01 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote:

Quote:Then why even have those as options in Dolphin if they cause such huge drops even on the most powerful of hardware? :/

Because we can? Getting rid of an option just because it causes bad performance is just plain stupid since people don't HAVE to use it.

Well the question was more or less why implement them into Dolphin if they cause such huge drops?

I mean, it's not like you can actually play a game with these options unless you can bear 6 FPS. The only valid reason to have them is to show off HD shots of GC/Wii games, but actually playing games is impossible.

[NaturalViolence]

Quote:I mean, it's not like you can actually play a game with these options unless you can bear 6 FPS. The only valid reason to have them is to show off HD shots of GC/Wii games, but actually playing games is impossible.

Not really. Depends on that game and whether efb to ram is needed. A lot of games run fullspeed for me with 3x efb scale and 4xSSAA, it just depends on that game. Also efb to ram is a major factor in whether or not 3x efb scale murders your framerate.

As for 9xSSAA, at a low resolution achieving decent performance in some games might be possible with a powerful enough gpu. And since rendering at a lower resolution will give you more aliasing it's a good idea to take advantage of that. And remember that these are just "levels" of a feature. 2x efb scale and 4xSSAA is usually fine both in performance and quality. 9xSSAA won't make a huge different unless your resolution is extremely low and 3x efb scaling won't make a huge difference unless your resolution is extremely high.

Even if it didn't offer any benefit I still would not want 2x efb scale and 4xSSAA to be the highest you can set them. If we removed options that could cause unplayable performance half the useful options in dolphin would be gone since they can cause unplayable performance in the right situations. Like hybrid efb to ram for example. Not to mention these aren't even necessarily new options that can cause terrible slowdowns they are just high levels of options that when set to lower levels usually perform fine. Can you imagine what the nvidia control panel would look like if they followed that philosophy? Having more options/higher levels of existing options is always better, whether you use them or not is up to you.

[Xtreme2damax]

I was forced to use my old system again because I bent the cpu socket pins on my i7 motherboard when cleaning off the thermal paste. I submitted an RMA request to Newegg and I have to send it back to them, I'm hoping that they'll decide to replace it. To add to the misery my cat knocked one of my 2 TB drives off of the case onto the floor, and one drive slipped out of my hand onto the floor when doing something. There doesn't appear to be any external damage, I just hope the innards are ok and my files housed on the drive are ok.

Anyways I overclocked my old Core2Duo E8500 system to 4.06 Ghz and slapped one of my GTX 460's and Soundblaster X-Fi Titanium Pro inside, and it is still just as slow. It's still so slow with Dolphin that it pales in comparison to even my Core i7 950 clocked at stock 3.06 Ghz.

[Starscream]

I believe if you set the framelimit to off and then let the fps skyrocket, you can then turn up some of the graphic settings and that will level the fps back to normal rates. This might be the kind of situation where you can turn up EFB scale higher than you normally would. This will only work on games that are playing at twice the normal speed. Mario Galaxy and some of the higher requirement games are not included in this. Only the games that run very fast will work without losing playability. Try it.