4570 good enough

[CyraxScorpion]

I would like to start off by offering my gratitude to everyone who made Dolphin possible. It is very nice to relive the gamecube era in 1080p.

Anyways, I'm building a new computer and I want it to run dolphin smoothly. After lurking around on the forums, it is to my knowledge that the 4670k is the cpu of choice. However with the requirements to overclock (z87, k cpu, aftermarket cooler) it'll cost me $100 extra to overclock.

So my main question is will I be fine with just the 4670? Possibly the 4570 seeing as it's below the $200 dollar mark. The most intensive game I see myself playing is Galaxy 2 and I would like to be able to play all gamecube titles at full speed.

I'll buy the necessities to overclock if i absolutely have to for Dolphin to meet my expectations but I would rather avoid overclocking. Thanks in advance.

[LordVador]

(07-24-2013, 07:10 AM)CyraxScorpion Wrote: will I be fine with just the 4670? Possibly the 4570

Go for 3570K. It's still a good choice. Most games work just fine and I'm only to 4.2GHz

[CyraxScorpion]

(07-24-2013, 07:31 AM)LordVador Wrote: Go for 3570K. It's still a good choice. Most games work just fine and I'm only to 4.2GHz

I think you have missed my point; overclocking is something I wish to avoid. With the 3570k I would still need the z77 mobo along with the aftermarket cooler. I also don't believe in buying old hardware but thanks for the suggestion nonetheless.

[LordVador]

Get a "K" processor even if you don't wanna overclock. You have the option if you happened to be tempted to. With a non-K processor you could regret one day.
Anyway 4670 at stock is likely to not be enough for SMG2 or any very demanding GC game. If you want full-speed or close to I mean

[NaturalViolence]

Get the 4670. You'll be fine.

And by the way Asus H87 and B85 motherboards can overclock K series haswell cpus and are dirt cheap. OCing is cheaper and more beneficial than you think.

[CyraxScorpion]

(07-24-2013, 07:56 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Get the 4670. You'll be fine.

And by the way Asus H87 and B85 motherboards can overclock K series haswell cpus and are dirt cheap. OCing is cheaper and more beneficial than you think.

I read about that. Gigabyte and Biostar is also doing this as well. However with the quality of b85 I am skeptical if it can overclock as high as the z87 chipset. Thanks for the advice.

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(07-24-2013, 07:50 AM)LordVador Wrote: Get a "K" processor even if you don't wanna overclock. You have the option if you happened to be tempted to. With a non-K processor you could regret one day.
Anyway 4670 at stock is likely to not be enough for SMG2 or any very demanding GC game. If you want full-speed or close to I mean

Thanks for the info. Off topic what would you consider a demanding gc game? With the exception of twilight princess I wouldn't think a gamecube game would be very demanding.

[LordVador]

(07-24-2013, 08:07 AM)CyraxScorpion Wrote: what would you consider a demanding gc game?

F-Zero GX, MGS (Metal Gear), Splinter Cell series, Harry Potter series, COD 1/2 (Call of Duty), Metroid Prime 1/2...

[NaturalViolence]

CyraxScorpion Wrote:However with the quality of b85 I am skeptical if it can overclock as high as the z87 chipset.

Um.....why?

The VRM is now totally integrated into the cpu. Thermal limitations make going above 4.3 GHz highly impractical on air cooling. Not to mention the chipset has nothing to do with the quality of the board itself or the other components on it.

[CyraxScorpion]

(07-24-2013, 08:54 AM)NaturalViolence Wrote: Um.....why?

The VRM is now totally integrated into the cpu. Thermal limitations make going above 4.3 GHz highly impractical on air cooling. Not to mention the chipset has nothing to do with the quality of the board itself or the other components on it.

*facepalm* I completely forgot about the vrm on the cpu. You're saying that's there's no quality differences between z87 and b85? Of course the z87 has more features, but I was under the impression that the b85 was built with cheaper parts and components. From personal opinion and experience, do you think that going with the 4670k path would be worth the extra $50+?

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(07-24-2013, 08:37 AM)LordVador Wrote: F-Zero GX, MGS (Metal Gear), Splinter Cell series, Harry Potter series, COD 1/2 (Call of Duty), Metroid Prime 1/2...

Really? Half of those games I'm interesting to emulate on the PC. Thanks for this info.

[NaturalViolence]

CyraxScorpion Wrote:You're saying that's there's no quality differences between z87 and b85? Of course the z87 has more features, but I was under the impression that the b85 was built with cheaper parts and components. From personal opinion and experience, do you think that going with the 4670k path would be worth the extra $50+?

I'm not sure if you fully understand what a chipset is. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chipset

Basically the chipset (a compound word meaning "set of chips") is a group of chips on the motherboard that facilitate communication between the cpu and other devices. These chips do not necessarily have anything to do with quality of the motherboard or any of the other components on the motherboard.

In fact most modern Intel chipsets aren't a true chipset anymore but rather a single chip, the PCH (platform controller chip). And most of them actually use the same chip but with different fuses blown to disable certain features. If I recall all Haswell chipsets are actually variants of the DH82 PCH.

CyraxScorpion Wrote:From personal opinion and experience, do you think that going with the 4670k path would be worth the extra $50+?

That depends what you're doing with the system. For high end emulation yes.